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From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:17:44 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: "Brock N. Meeks" <bmeeks () cox net> Date: June 16, 2006 5:59:12 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Subject: Re: [IP] more on Who they're spying on DO READWhen I was reporting this story for MSNBC, I asked TSA about what might be
done to mitigate the situation, short of a blowing up the entire flawed system... The answers weren't great but they do seem to help streamline things andeliminate a lot of frustration for people, at least based on the feedback
from those that I've heard from that have used these techniques.Basically, provide as much personal information as you possible can to the airline (already many reading this are cringing, rightly so). Even a causal reader of this list knows that there is always, ALWAYS a compromise to be
made when choosing convenience over security (and yes, I know, in this instance we, the public, shouldn't have to make that compromise, I agree fully). So, if you're getting caught in this TSA net, here's what to do:When buying tickets always book using your full name, first middle and last. Even providing a middle initial will help eliminate a lot of problems I've
found out. Providing your full middle name, even better. If you can provide your home address, better. If you can provide a birthday, better still.All this helps "set you apart" from the other "Rick Nelson's" (or whomever)
out there.It's not a great workaround and we shouldn't have to do this but for those that want an alternative, this seems to work for a great number of people.
On 6/16/06 5:23 PM, "David Farber" <dave () farber net> wrote:
Begin forwarded message: From: Jeff Jonas <jeffjonas () us ibm com> Date: June 16, 2006 8:10:10 AM EDT To: dave () farber net Subject: Re: [IP] Who they're spying on DO READ Dave, feel free to post or just share with your anonymous friend directly ... your call. ======================= Dear Anonymous, It is more likely that your wife has been "wrongly matched" (i.e., false positive) rather than "wrongly named" (i.e., she is actually the person named on the list). Paul Rosenzweig and I wrote about this in greater detail in this Heritage Foundation paper (http:// www.heritage.org/Research/HomelandDefense/lm17.cfm). The challenge is preventing your wife from repeated infringements. This highlights the need for watch list redress and remedies to the growing false positive problem which is being caused by the ever growing size of the watch list and ongoing lack of watch list fidelity (i.e., sparse attributes) which result in many false matches based on name similarity alone. Jeff Jonas Distinguished Engineer and Chief Scientist IBM Entity Analytics 702.851.4697 JeffJonas () us ibm com My blog: www.jeffjonas.typepad.com ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as bmeeks () cox net To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ipArchives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting- people/David Farber <dave () farber net> 06/15/2006 12:09 PM Please respond to dave () farber net To ip () v2 listbox com cc Subject [IP] Who they're spying on DO READ From: Anonymous Date: June 15, 2006 Subject: Re: Who they're spying on There are many unknown consequences from the recent laws circumventing privacy and security constraints on the government. For example, the TSA "Do Not Fly" (DNF) list is being used by law enforcement agencies to capture anyone with an outstanding want or warrant. As we all know TSA will not tell you why your name is on the list. Moreover, they will not say where the names come from that are on the list. My wife ended up on the list, which lead to a 2+ hour wait to be cleared at the airport. During that time we talked with several TSA people and one police officer. After TSA finally decided she could fly, they invoked the standard procedure to clear someone which was to have a local police officer run a warrant/want check. I mentioned to the TSA officer that the DNF list sounds like a good way to capture anyone wanted for a crime. He said yes, and I believe he said that some law enforcement organizations were putting many names on the list. I asked Dave to make this posting anonymous because after this problem with the DNF list, which went on for several months/trips, my wife and I are much less willing to publicly confront our government. ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as jeffjonas () us ibm com To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting- people/ ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as bmeeks () cox net To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ipArchives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting- people/
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