more on Who they're spying on DO READ

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Brock N. Meeks" <bmeeks () cox net>
Date: June 15, 2006 5:58:14 PM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Subject: Re: [IP] Who they're spying on DO READ

As abhorrent as the TSA list is, I think it's also imperative that  
when we
go to battle over such things that we at least get the terms straight so
that we know what we're debating.

I can guarantee you that Mr. Anonymous' wife was not  and IS NOT on  
the "Do
No Fly" list.  I will put up $5,000 on a bet to back up my statement  
if Mr.
Anon wants to take me up on it.

You see, there are TWO lists that come into play here, one is the  
hardcore
"do not fly" list.  A person appearing on that list WILL NOT FLY;  
they are
known, criminal threats to aviation security and would be jailed if  
they are
caught.

The second list is much more nefarious because it catches so many  
people in
its net, such as Mr. Anon's wife.  TSA refers to this list as the  
"selectee
list."  This is the list that has caught several famous people in its  
web
because their names are the same or similar to those that appear on the
selectee list.

I wrote a piece about this for MSNBC just about a year ago called  
"Faces of
the No Fly List" (and of course, the headline writer was fudging, too,
because no on in my story was actually on the "no fly" list).

You can read it here:  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8705746/




On 6/15/06 3:09 PM, "David Farber" <dave () farber net> wrote:

> From: Anonymous
> Date: June 15, 2006
> Subject: Re: Who they're spying on
>
> There are many unknown consequences from the recent laws
> circumventing privacy and security constraints on the government.
> For example, the TSA "Do Not Fly" (DNF) list is being used by law
> enforcement agencies to capture anyone with an outstanding want or
> warrant.  As we all know TSA will not tell you why your name is on
> the list.  Moreover, they will not say where the names come from that
> are on the list.
>
> My wife ended up on the list, which lead to a 2+ hour wait to be
> cleared at the airport. During that time we talked with several TSA
> people and one police officer.  After TSA finally decided she could
> fly, they invoked the standard procedure to clear someone which was
> to have a local police officer run a warrant/want check.  I mentioned
> to the TSA officer that the DNF list sounds like a good way to
> capture anyone wanted for a crime. He said yes, and I believe he said
> that some law enforcement organizations were putting many names on
> the list.
>
> I asked Dave to make this posting anonymous because after this
> problem with the DNF list, which went on for several months/trips, my
> wife and I are much less willing to publicly confront our government.
>
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