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From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:40:49 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: "Dr. James J. O'Donnell" <provost () georgetown edu> Date: September 29, 2005 7:34:41 PM EDT To: David Farber <dave () farber net> Cc: Ip <ip () v2 listbox com> Subject: Re: [IP] more on Logan ... frequent fliers Dave, I incline to agree with Jean Camp's problem statement, but stillpush it one step further. Just how large is the problem? Can we quantify
(a) number of people who will be able to participate, (b) measure of anticipated benefit, and (c) cost of introducing and operating the service? Those seem to me the essential questions, unasked in public. Shall we have the crowded search areas at airports rearranged to squeeze in an "HOV Lane" that gets one passenger every 15 minutes at rush hour? Who saves an average of two minutes waiting time? Jim O'Donnell Georgetown On Thu, 29 Sep 2005, David Farber wrote:
Begin forwarded message: From: jean_camp <jean_camp () harvard edu> Date: September 29, 2005 4:31:04 PM EDT To: dave () farber netSubject: Re: [IP] more on Logan considers easing way for frequent fliersWhat is the problem that is being solved? 1. finding terrorists who we presume do not fly often 2. making valuable business travelers happy 3. removing anyone with enough power to contradict TSA from the search loop You cannot say if this is a good or bad idea without understanding the problem statement. thanks, Jean On Sep 28, 2005, at 7:16 PM, David Farber wrote:Begin forwarded message: From: Richard Wiggins <richard.wiggins () gmail com> Date: September 28, 2005 8:05:46 PM EDT To: David Farber <dave () farber net> Subject: Re: [IP] more on Logan considers easing way for frequent fliers Reply-To: Richard Wiggins <richard.wiggins () gmail com> Dave, Dr. O'Donnell raises a good point: is this just catering to an elite? I think it's a little subtler than that. There are a lot of people who fly multiple times a week as part of their jobs. Many of thesefolks might decide to drive or take the train if the burden of airportsecurity is sufficiently onerous.If you fly over 200 times in a year and this is the difference betweena 5 minute security check and 30 minutes in line, that's 100 hours wasted. No doubt that won't evoke much sympathy from anyone who travels a few times a year. Still, I think a case can be made that a program that eases the way for people who basically commute via the commercial airlines is not just a paean to the elite.They will give up some cash and a little liberty for the privilege, socue that Ben Franklin quote.... /rich On 9/28/05, David Farber <dave () farber net> wrote:Begin forwarded message: From: "Dr. James J. O'Donnell" <provost () georgetown edu> Date: September 28, 2005 9:50:39 AM EDT To: dave () farber net Subject: Re: [IP] Logan considers easing way for frequent fliers Dave, We've seen these discussions of fast lanes for several years now. Could we ask the cost-benefit question? (1) What would it cost to create this system? (2) If it's really for people who fly once a week or more, how great is the benefit and is this really only for a tiny elite? (3) Justhow bad is it going through security now? I fly 100K a year, throughpretty busy airports (most regularly Dulles, National, Laguardia, O'Hare, SFO), and I have to say that I've adjusted to the basic hassles (laptop out, shoes off, jacket off) and the time-through-security is *not* a realproblem at this point. Among other things, I think it is the regularfliers who have their personal drill down so they *don't* trigger extra searches. (They're pulling bags over when they spot folding umbrellas now: ok, dumb, but I get it, so the umbrella travels visible now and it's part of my drill.) So: is this a problem that has solved itself *sufficiently* (to say 90% of optimum) that it's not worth putting resources into solving further? I'm not saying I like any of the extra layers that have been put on the system or that I agree that they are necessary: I'm just asking the "how big is this problem *really*" question. Jim O'Donnell Georgetown U. ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as galler () umich edu To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/ interesting-people/------------------------------------- You are subscribed as Jean_Camp () harvard edu To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting- people/------------------------------------- You are subscribed as jod () georgetown edu To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ipArchives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting- people/
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