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more on A question for non USA IPers5 bucks a gallon for gas?
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:37:29 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: Russell Nelson <nelson () crynwr com> Date: August 31, 2005 10:31:57 AM EDT To: dave () farber net Cc: Chris Kantarjiev <cak () dimebank com>Subject: Re: [IP] more on A question for non USA IPers5 bucks a gallon for gas?
For IP if you wish, Dave.
From: Chris Kantarjiev <cak () dimebank com> Date: August 30, 2005 5:35:50 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Yes, the US needs higher gas prices. We're getting them now (and the storm in Louisiana isn't helping). It's not clear how well we'll handle them - will the increased prices fund alternative transportation or just line the pockets of the oil companies?
Argh! This paragraph represents two errors in economics, both of them worthy of writing about. First, it is extremely risky and injudicious to say that an entity as large as the United States economy "needs" anything. It hubris to come to a conclusion like this without having full knowledge of all activities that need gas, and .... nobody has that. Not you, not me, not Congress, not Wall Street, nobody. The closest thing to full knowledge of the state of the economy's need for gasoline is the price of gasoline. In other words, Chris, the only piece of information you could use to say that the price is too low is ... the price. Doing so would be faith-based economics. Second, the way that change happens in a free-market economy (which I realize the USA only approximates) is that people make more or less money. Could be more money than before. Could be more money than something else. Either way, when somebody makes more money, that's a signal for other people to start to compete with them. It's more than a signal, though. It's also a reward. We want people to look at the state of the world, and do their best to anticipate future conditions. Government planning offices try to do this too, but there's little reward for being right and no penalty for being wrong. E.g. look at all the railroad right of ways that were publicly owned and sold off (the Rutland in Vermont's Champlain Islands and New York's North Country). Now those are in great demand for recreational trails. Did any government planners suffer from this mistake? If private citizens anticipate future conditions, and spend their money accordingly, the ones who were correct will have more money. Success breeds success, and failure failure: those who were wrong lost their money and their chance to be wrong again. You couldn't do better than this if you were a wise, knowledgable and beneficial dictator. A perfect example is yesterday's run-up in the price of gasoline. Retailers are guessing that they'll have to spend more to buy their next tanker of gasoline. The ones that raise their prices too much won't sell as much gas and won't make as much money. The ones that raise their prices too little will find that they've sold out of gas without having enough left to buy more. -- --my blog is at blog.russnelson.com | with some experienceCrynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | you know what to do.
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