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IP: ReThinking the Unthinkable 2002
From: David Farber <dfarber () earthlink net>
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:34:18 -0400
-----Original Message----- From: Robert Lee <robertslee () comcast net> Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:32:56 To: eagroup () earthlink net, "David J. Farber" <dave () farber net> Subject: RE: on ReThinking the Unthinkable 2002 Don't you wonder why in the first 48 hours of conflict in Afghanistan when the air force had a dozen Taliban chiefs located in a house our warrior chiefs decided to ask for permission to kill them and in so doing started a 24 hour whisper down the lane sequence of permission askings, leading right up to the Secretary of Defense who when he gave his permission gave it an hour or two too late and all but a child and a woman escaped? Don't you wonder how we can be negotiating with Omar Mulla Whatever his name is one minute and then not find him the next? Negotiating? Is someone home? And don't you wonder why a six foot four madman riding in a herd of 300 horses can disappear when our satellites can read your license plate? Don't you wonder how we can fight a war with Saddam Hussein, win, and forget to kill him? I am not sure why we do not want to hurt them but that we do not want to hurt them I am sure. The answer to all these enigmas is that we do not want to hurt these people. If we did they would be dead. It is not terribly difficult. In a war you kill the enemy. Next subject. Perhaps all leaders have made a deal with each other, tacit or explicit, that they will fight using the succulent flesh of 18 year-old proxies. Perhaps this deal was made 1.6 million years ago. Bob Robert Lee 610-642-9705 -----Original Message----- From: owner-ip-sub-1 () admin listbox com [mailto:owner-ip-sub-1 () admin listbox com] On Behalf Of Dave Farber Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 8:40 PM To: ip Subject: IP: on ReThinking the Unthinkable 2002 ------ Forwarded Message From: "Paul C. Lembesis" <eagroup () earthlink net> Reply-To: "Paul C. Lembesis" <eagroup () earthlink net> Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 20:29:37 -0400 To: <farber () cis upenn edu> Subject: Re: ReThinking the Unthinkable 2002 Dave, I spent 11 years as a strategic arms control negotiator and was the legal counsel to the START I and II delegations, so I know something about these issues. First, while it is important to consider these issues, it should be kept in context. It is very difficult to transport and handle radioactive materials. We would have a good chance of detecting this. The meaning of a "dirty" bomb is inexact, but I think the most likely scenario is that the radioactive material would be packed around a conventional explosive. There would be no nuclear explosion. Rather there would be a conventional explosion that spread radioactive material. The resulting damage would be horrible, with one or more square miles contaminated and many people poisoned. However, this is much less damage than would be caused by a nuclear explosion. It would require much more technical sophistication for terrorists create a nuclear weapon. Most likely, there would have to be a government involved for this to occur. This type of attack can (and must) be stopped by acting in advance against hostile government programs to develop nuclear weapons. In other words, terrorists in a cave would be very unlikely to have this capability. If states are developing nuclear weapons to give to terrorists, our defense is to stop the development programs. (As for delivery of the weapon, I have always been worried about ordinary boats that enter our harbors. Sophisticated missile systems to attack us would not be needed.) In answer to your question, the response to a "dirty" bomb would be similar to the response to September 11. Domestically, there would have to be large scale relief to the affected area. Internationally, there would be military retaliation against anyone identified as having caused the attack. Hope this helps, Paul Lembesis ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Farber" <dave () farber net> To: <ip-sub-1 () majordomo pobox com> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 7:51 PM Subject: IP: ReThinking the Unthinkable 2002
I have the utmost respect for the late Herman Kahn and his series on Thermonuclear War. He was fond of saying that not to think of the possibility was unethical. We have read a lot about dirty low tech nuclear devices, stolen
Russian
devices, attacking nuclear plants etc. It is fair to ask the question
of
what our response would be and should be if one of these events
happened. I
sincerely hope that it never happens and more sincerely hope that some young "Herman" is helping to prepare the analysis so that our
"leaders" can
act in the best informed and intelligent way if it happens. In the spirit of Kahn, I ask you to say what you believe should be
done if
such a terrorist attack takes place and one of our cultural/population centers is made unlivable and many people face sickness in the future
for
them and their children. What do we do? Dave For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/
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