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RE: RPAT - Realtime Proxy Abuse Triangulation
From: "Rob Shein" <shoten () starpower net>
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:45:20 -0500
This is fundamentally flawed logic. To cite a physical-world equivalent, just because a door isn't locked doesn't make entering it against the wishes of the occupant anything other than breaking and entering, plus unlawful entry if you have illegal intent upon entering. The law does not recognize that failure to properly defend against criminal behavior means that you surrender all the protective means afforded by the criminal justice system.
-----Original Message----- From: Gary Flynn [mailto:flynngn () jmu edu] Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 9:47 AM To: Mathias Wegner Cc: Kurt Seifried; Stephen Friedl; incidents () securityfocus com Subject: Re: RPAT - Realtime Proxy Abuse Triangulation Mathias Wegner wrote:I would be very nervous about running this, remote SNMP queries of someone elses system (say a .gov or .mil proxy) may be considered illegal activity in some jurisdictions.Depending on the SNMP daemon, it would/should be as illegalas openingan ssh investigating the system from the command line. Most SNMP offers at least some amount of configuration via the read/write community. I know that when I see SNMP queries on network hardware that I manage, I consider it hostile activity.On the other hand, if someone exposes an snmp server to the public network with a default community name, I'd say they're making it as accessible as an anonymous ftp server, Microsoft C$ file share with no Administrator password, Kazaa share of entire hard drive, or telnet server with an account of "root" and no password. I would think it would be hard to prosecute someone in such a case when the service was made publicly available. Not to say that incompetence is justification for criminal behavior but how is someone poking around the net to know which doors are left intentionally opened and which are stupid mistakes? If I'm driving down the road and see an interesting, unmarked driveway/road and go up it out of curiosity, am I breaking a law? Surely the owners of a service or road that don't want people in there should mark or block it. -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- This list is provided by the SecurityFocus ARIS analyzer service. For more information on this free incident handling, management and tracking system please see: http://aris.securityfocus.com
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Current thread:
- RPAT - Realtime Proxy Abuse Triangulation Stephen Friedl (Dec 20)
- Re: RPAT - Realtime Proxy Abuse Triangulation Kurt Seifried (Dec 24)
- Re: RPAT - Realtime Proxy Abuse Triangulation Mathias Wegner (Dec 27)
- Re: RPAT - Realtime Proxy Abuse Triangulation Jay D. Dyson (Dec 27)
- Re: RPAT - Realtime Proxy Abuse Triangulation Kevin Reardon (Dec 27)
- RE: RPAT - Realtime Proxy Abuse Triangulation Rob Shein (Dec 30)
- Re: RPAT - Realtime Proxy Abuse Triangulation Greg Barnes (Dec 30)
- Re: RPAT - Realtime Proxy Abuse Triangulation Mathias Wegner (Dec 27)
- Re: RPAT - Realtime Proxy Abuse Triangulation Kurt Seifried (Dec 24)
- Re: RPAT - Realtime Proxy Abuse Triangulation Gary Flynn (Dec 30)
- RE: RPAT - Realtime Proxy Abuse Triangulation Rob Shein (Dec 30)
- Re: RPAT - Realtime Proxy Abuse Triangulation Syzop (Dec 30)
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- Re: RPAT - Realtime Proxy Abuse Triangulation Stephen Friedl (Dec 27)
- Re: RPAT - Realtime Proxy Abuse Triangulation Jay D. Dyson (Dec 30)
- Re: RPAT - Realtime Proxy Abuse Triangulation Greg Barnes (Dec 30)
- Re: RPAT - Realtime Proxy Abuse Triangulation Jay D. Dyson (Dec 30)
- Re: RPAT - Realtime Proxy Abuse Triangulation Greg Barnes (Dec 30)
- Virus? Trojan? David Gillett (Dec 30)
- Re: Virus? Trojan? Peter Kruse (Dec 30)
- Re: RPAT - Realtime Proxy Abuse Triangulation Greg Barnes (Dec 30)