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Re: Risk analysis


From: "Marc" <marc () marcd org>
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 10:52:48 -0400

The error in the 'science', IMHO, is the blaming an inanimate object for the
actions of people.  By definition, an inanimate object is just that.  This
is like blaming the pen for bad legislation.  One of the founding tenants of
science is 'root cause'.  At this point, gun safety has been reduced to an
emotional subject, nothing more.  The popular discussion has nothing to do
with the root cause of the issues around accidents or that cause someone
think it's OK to kill.  

 To put things a little more into perspective, about 292 people are killed
every year by people backing over them with their SUVs (103 of these annual
fatalities are children) - another 18,000 are injured - every year.  We
could discuss the many perceived evils of SUVs, including their implication
in the deaths of so many of our innocent children and other loved ones every
year (i.e. make it an emotional discussion),  but instead of banning them
under emotional pretext, educational programs are undertaken, and efforts
are undertaken (pardon the pun) to make them easier to operate safely, such
as backup cameras, sensors, and reduced blind spots:

http://www.iihs.org/research/qanda/backover.aspx

http://www.nhtsa.gov/Driving+Safety/Child+Safety/Keeping+Kids+Safe+-+Backove
r

Once the discussion gets to root cause, there will be progress in not only
firearms safety, but several other related areas.  Until then, I believe we
are wasting time and energy, not to mention money.

Just my $0.02.

-----Original Message-----
From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org]
On Behalf Of Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 17:23
To: funsec () linuxbox org
Subject: [funsec] Risk analysis

Oh, hey, what do you know?  There's actually scientific data showing
that having lots of guns around is a bad idea ...

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=gun-science-proves-
arming-
untrained-citizens-bad-idea

or

http://links.email.scientificamerican.com/ctt?kn=59&ms=NDE0ODIzNDQS1&r=N
TY1MTYxMjE0MQS2&b=2&j=MTg3NjgxMjA4S0&mt=1&rt=0


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