Re: Sandy Hook

[Dan White <dwhite () olp net>]

On 12/14/12 17:18 -0500, Kenneth Bechtel wrote:
> Dan White <dwhite () olp net> wrote:
> > > On 12/14/2012 14:57, Dan White wrote:
> > > > That's not exactly fair. If he didn't have a gun, he would have been
> > > > unlikely to kill very many people. If he didn't have a gun, but the
> > > > school had an armed security guard, there probably would have been a
> > > > much different outcome. Something as simple as locking the front door
> > > > (like some preschools do) might have helped.
> > >
> > > Uhh, really?  is 22 children and one adult a close enough number?  From
> > > a country with VERY strong gun control:
> > > http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12/14/22-kids-1-adult-injured-in-knife-attack-outside-chinese-school/
> >
> > That's why I worded my statement the way I did. I hope that you are not
> > trying to argue that 0 is a similar number to 26.
> >
> > If you are attempting to equate these two events, and that the result of
> > the weapon used was inconsequential, then I strongly disagree with you.
>
> It's disingenuous at best to blame the tool is what I am saying.  Neither
> guns, knives, sticks or rocks have a self will.  They all need a human
> hand to guide them.  Are those Chinese children any less dead?  The tool
> IS inconsequential, it's the human intent that has consequence.

It's merely a pragmatic point of view.

"A doctor at Guangshan's hospital of traditional Chinese medicine said that
seven students had been admitted, but that none were seriously injured."

> > > Please share your crystal ball or open your eyes and realize evil
> > > people are every where.
> >
> > My attempt to seek out where crazy people are is a lot more successful
> > than attempting to resolve this problem by arming teachers (which was the
> > solution presented by another poster). The fact that I've managed to keep
> > my family safe is proof enough for me, but I understand this is a highly
> > subjective standard.
>
> Hmm the results of arming teachers has had a proven positive solution,
> just look at Israel, where the terrorists were regularly attacking schools
> until teachers were armed.

You can choose where to send your kids. I have no problem with your local
school board making such decisions, as long as my kids are not attending.

> > It may be a bit easier for me in Oklahoma to find the crazy people, since
> > a law allowing citizens to openly carry handguns has recently gone into
> > effect. I can say, without hesitation, that the average private citizen
> > openly carrying a firearm is going to be a great deal crazier than the
> > average citizen.
>
> Disagree, I think it's crazy of YOU to not feel your family is worth
> protecting.  You are relying on those OCers and the police to protect you
> and your family, THEY are taking responsibility for themselves and their
> family.  So who is the crazy one?

I accept that you think I'm crazy, and that we likely have different
motivations and different solutions. However, I can assure you I know
what's worth protecting.

--
Dan White
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