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Re: 95% of User Generated Content is spam or malicious
From: "Hubbard, Dan" <dhubbard () websense com>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:48:17 -0800
All; I am guilty of being way late to this party, however... Whoever started this thread where did you get the 95% stat from? This may be completely off and/or irrelevant but I am *guessing* that the stat 95% of User Generated Content (UGC) is coming from us. This actually is *not* email SPAM. This is comment-spam in the form of web-posts into blogs, forums,etc.. Just wondering if the leap was made from UGC to email SPAM somehow. -----Original Message----- From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On Behalf Of Dan Kaminsky Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 5:42 AM To: Rich Kulawiec Cc: funsec () linuxbox org Subject: Re: [funsec] 95% of User Generated Content is spam or malicious On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Rich Kulawiec <rsk () gsp org> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 07:34:56AM -0500, Dan Kaminsky wrote:All I know is that I have a couple of email accounts that get negligible amounts of spam. Oh, they're *sent* huge amounts, but they receive almost none.But this is not the only metric with which to evaluate mail defenses.
I disagree. This is the only metric that matters: In 2007, I got a lot of spam. In 2010, I get a few messages *a month*. A MONTH!
Anyway, one of the direct consequences of this reality is that testing methodologies need to be very carefully constructed. Anyone who just plugs boxes from vendors X Y and Z into their network and does a head-to-head comparison is not going to get a true picture of how those systems really compare: they're only going to get a limited picture of how those systems compare at the moment on their network(s) on their ASN(s) with their domain(s).
Spam fighting as a product seems to be having problems. Spam fighting as a service is doing extremely well. Who knows. Maybe the bad guys are reverse engineering all the products, but can't do the same to the services. _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: 95% of User Generated Content is spam or malicious, (continued)
- Re: 95% of User Generated Content is spam or malicious Rich Kulawiec (Feb 15)
- Re: 95% of User Generated Content is spam or malicious Tomas L. Byrnes (Feb 15)
- Re: 95% of User Generated Content is spam or malicious Rich Kulawiec (Feb 18)
- Re: 95% of User Generated Content is spam or malicious der Mouse (Feb 18)
- Re: 95% of User Generated Content is spam or malicious Rich Kulawiec (Feb 21)
- Re: 95% of User Generated Content is spam or malicious Tomas L. Byrnes (Feb 21)
- Re: 95% of User Generated Content is spam or malicious Rich Kulawiec (Feb 22)
- Re: 95% of User Generated Content is spam or malicious Dan Kaminsky (Feb 22)
- Re: 95% of User Generated Content is spam or malicious Rich Kulawiec (Feb 22)
- Re: 95% of User Generated Content is spam or malicious Dan Kaminsky (Feb 22)
- Re: 95% of User Generated Content is spam or malicious Hubbard, Dan (Feb 23)
- Re: 95% of User Generated Content is spam or malicious Joel Esler (Feb 23)
- Re: 95% of User Generated Content is spam or malicious Ned Fleming (Feb 23)
- Re: 95% of User Generated Content is spam or malicious Hubbard, Dan (Feb 23)
- Re: 95% of User Generated Content is spam or malicious Tomas L. Byrnes (Feb 23)
- Re: 95% of User Generated Content is spam or malicious der Mouse (Feb 22)
- Re: 95% of User Generated Content is spam or malicious der Mouse (Feb 22)
- Re: 95% of User Generated Content is spam or malicious Rich Kulawiec (Feb 23)
- Re: 95% of User Generated Content is spam or malicious Valdis . Kletnieks (Feb 23)
- Re: 95% of User Generated Content is spam or malicious Dan Kaminsky (Feb 23)
- Re: 95% of User Generated Content is spam or malicious Rich Kulawiec (Feb 24)