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Re: FBI: More Guns == Less Crime
From: "David Lodge" <dave () cirt net>
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:59:33 -0000
On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:30:08 -0000, Dan Kaminsky <dan () doxpara com> wrote:
I was pretty pro gun control until I had to debate it competitively in high school. Yikes. The data, oh god, the data. The UK pulled all guns in the 90's. Violent crime quadrupled.
Oh gods, not this again. The UK doesn't outlaw all firearms, the laws were *tightened* in the 90's, to include more restrictions on handguns. It is still legal to own shotguns, air weapons and low calibre rifles as long as you have a reason for it and have the appropriate documentation, permits, background checks and storage facillities. I still think that firearms shouldn't be outlawed, but they should be treated with the same respect that the other big killer of people is (i.e. the car): they should have a licence and a very strict competency test. If you fail, you shouldn't be allowed to own or use firearms, full stop. Also you need to be very careful about crime levels in the UK: the Labour government made levels of crime a KPI, which meant that much dicking around with what is termed a violent crime as opposed to anything sensible, like stopping it. The majority of "violent" crime over here covers drunk people having a fight. It would not surprise me that the same has happened in the US. _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- FBI: More Guns == Less Crime Gadi Evron (Dec 24)
- Re: FBI: More Guns == Less Crime Larry Seltzer (Dec 24)
- Re: FBI: More Guns == Less Crime Dan Kaminsky (Dec 24)
- Re: FBI: More Guns == Less Crime Gadi Evron (Dec 24)
- Re: FBI: More Guns == Less Crime Valdis . Kletnieks (Dec 24)
- Re: FBI: More Guns == Less Crime Drsolly (Dec 24)
- Re: FBI: More Guns == Less Crime Larry Seltzer (Dec 24)
- Re: FBI: More Guns == Less Crime David Lodge (Dec 24)
- Re: FBI: More Guns == Less Crime David Harley (Dec 25)
- Re: FBI: More Guns == Less Crime Gadi Evron (Dec 25)
- Re: FBI: More Guns == Less Crime David Harley (Dec 26)
- Re: FBI: More Guns == Less Crime Drsolly (Dec 25)
- Re: FBI: More Guns == Less Crime David Harley (Dec 26)
- Re: FBI: More Guns == Less Crime Tomas L. Byrnes (Dec 26)
- Re: FBI: More Guns == Less Crime Larry Seltzer (Dec 26)
- Re: FBI: More Guns == Less Crime David Harley (Dec 27)
- UK and guns Gadi Evron (Dec 27)
- Re: UK and guns David Harley (Dec 27)