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Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups)
From: Dan White <dwhite () olp net>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:21:57 -0500
On 12/10/09 06:25 -0400, Larry Seltzer wrote:
As a general matter nothing would trigger it. It goes into effect immediately. Are you asking what constitutes an infected user? We'd have to define that, but it's not the right question for this discussion unless you think it's impossible to define. Is it?
Essentially that's what I'm suggesting. At what point would the ISP be responsible to act?
You don't mention SPAM, perhaps intentionally...A customer sending out spam bot-like sounds like a trigger to me.
Then you'll have to legally define SPAM.
I would contend that, for the most part, infected PCs are not an ISPproblem, but the customer's problem. Think of it as an Internet public health problem, and the ISPs are in the best position to isolate the patients.
That's probably true - I just don't think a law is the best approach here. Education is.
2) Replacing SMTP with something sane and secure. SMTP has got to beIETF's biggest failure. Serious efforts at that many years ago (MARID) essentially failed.3) Doing what we can to develop and increase our participation in apublic key infrastructure and IPSEC. Voluntarily? In what century will that happen?
Well, #3 would go a long ways towards solving #2. I'm quite optimistic this will happen in the next 10 years. As DNSSEC gets deployed, IPSEC will become more than just a pipe dream (RFC 4025). But it's going to be a very bumpy road getting there, I'll grant you that. -- Dan White _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: dumb. Comcast pop-ups Jon Kibler (Oct 10)
- Re: dumb. Comcast pop-ups Alex Lanstein (Oct 10)
- Re: dumb. Comcast pop-ups Rich Kulawiec (Oct 11)
- Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Larry Seltzer (Oct 11)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Dan White (Oct 13)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Larry Seltzer (Oct 12)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Dan White (Oct 13)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 13)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Dan White (Oct 13)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 13)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Dan White (Oct 13)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 16)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Dan White (Oct 16)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 16)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Dan White (Oct 16)
- Re: dumb. Comcast pop-ups Alex Lanstein (Oct 10)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) G. D. Fuego (Oct 16)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 17)
- Re: dumb. Comcast pop-ups Jon Kibler (Oct 10)