Re: Rage against spammers and telemarketers

["Tomas L. Byrnes" <tomb () byrneit net>]

This is, like so much else, hyperbolic and completely exaggerates the
science. "The End of the Line" is as factual as "An Inconvenient Truth",
meaning not very, and where It has facts, it uses them selectively, and
takes the data to its most extreme conclusion.

In CA, we aren't the generation that ends the fish. Our fish stocks, in
may species (Giant Sea bass for one), are coming back. We're also in the
middle of implementing the Marine Life Protection Act to create
preserves where fish can breed, to add to the extensive network already
in place on the channel islands, Farallons, and in the central coast.

However, those on the other side of the Pacific can't seem to be
persuaded. Once again, preaching to the converted. I'm a diver and
sportfisherman (mostly catch and release, except for enough for that
day's dinner).


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Kaminsky [mailto:dan () doxpara com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:18 AM
> To: Tomas L. Byrnes
> Cc: der Mouse; <funsec () linuxbox org>
> Subject: Re: [funsec] Rage against spammers and telemarketers
>
> It is very likely there will be no fish in the ocean in our lifetime.
> Literally, all fish, all gone.  Lots of squid, but so long, thanks for
> all the fish.
>
> I think reasonable people can agree we shouldn't be the generation
> that ended fish, even if they are tasty.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 23, 2009, at 8:40 AM, "Tomas L. Byrnes" <tomb () byrneit net>
wrote:
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-
> > > bounces () linuxbox org]
> > > On Behalf Of der Mouse
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:56 PM
> > > To: funsec () linuxbox org
> > > Subject: Re: [funsec] Rage against spammers and telemarketers
> > >
> > > > The planners: Enarques, Oxbridge and Ivy Leaguers are taking over
> > > > the
> > > > world, and will give us what they think we need, as opposed to what
> > > > we want.
> > >
> > > "What we want" has not proven to be a very good way to govern.
> > > There's
> > > even an idiom in English - "bread and circuses" - alluding to a
> > > rather
> > > famous failure of governing by direct popular mandate.  While it is
> > > also somewhat apocryphal - it comes from a satirist's work - for it
> > > to
> > > have survived in live use indicates that its referent is common
> > > enough
> > > for us to need an idiom for it.
> > >
> > > "What they think we need" is more likely to be a useful
approximation
> > > to "what we ened" than "what we want" is, I think; that's the point
> > > of
> > > education, after all.  (And, I suspect, most of the apparent
> > > deviations
> > > from this are due to "them" giving "us" not "what they think we
need"
> > > but rather "what they want us to have".)
> > [TLB:]
> > [TLB:]
> > This post and your one regarding DDT have shown you for what you
> > are: a
> > misanthropic elitist who is trying to have his religion (Gaianism)
> > established by law.
> >
> > It's OK that you don't believe in a Democratic Republic, human rights
> > trumping those of animals, or free markets, and at least you are
> > honest
> > about it. Unfortunately, most of your fellow travelers who run the
> > elite
> > universities and have infiltrated the governments of the west are
> > not so
> > candid. If they were, they would be left ranting on listservs and
> > usenet, as opposed to having armies and police forces at their
> > command.
> >
> > This was the reason Madison insisted on the second amendment. Lest
the
> > government be perverted by an unaccountable elite.
> >
> >
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