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RE: Student arrested over Counter Strike map
From: "Richard M. Smith" <rms () computerbytesman com>
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 18:15:24 -0400
Passengers on Flight 93 only decided to fight back once they had learned via cellphone that 2 other hijacked planes had just been turned into suicide WMDs. In almost all previous plane hijackings, earlier hijackers were not bent of committing suicide and taking all the passengers with them. So yes, in 20/20 hindsight the Flight 93 passengers should have fought back earlier. However, before 9/11 it probably would have been a mistake in most cases for passengers to try to play army commandos. To their credit, the passengers on Flight 93 did realize that the rules had changed and they were able to stop another WMD attack. One lesson I think that was learned in the 9/11 hijackings is that the cockpit door of airplane should be kept locked from the inside while a plane is in the air. Richard -----Original Message----- From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On Behalf Of Brian Loe Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 5:15 PM To: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu Cc: John Forrister; funsec () linuxbox org Subject: Re: [funsec] Student arrested over Counter Strike map On 5/4/07, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:
On Fri, 04 May 2007 18:11:49 CDT, Brian Loe said:Name a single instance where the SWAT team entered a school before the killer had already finished killing his victims and himself?Virginia Tech. The police managed to get the doors open and head in while the gunfire was still going on. There's reason to believe that Cho offed himself when he did (since there were still potential victims to be had) because he knew the police were heading up the stairs.
I would imagine you are in a better position to know that I am, but EVERY news report I've read specifically states that the police did not enter until the shooting was over. Those that mentioned it also stated that he was essentially out of ammo when he killed himself. If the news got it wrong, fine, I'll stand corrected. It essentially has no bearing on my argument anyway, since he was dead - by his own hand - before he was ever confronted. The reasons police do not enter in such situations are numerous ranging from the difficulty of identifying a perp amongst scared victims and the litigiousness of our society. But if you are depending on the police for your safety you deserve the safety you get - NONE. Everyone here knows, I'm sure, that I think gun free zones just tell would-be killers where to begin their rampage, but that's not the only problem I have with these situations. Perhaps I'm a complete asshole but I'm one of those people that can't believe flight 93 (I believe it was, the last one that crashed in Penn.) ended in the death of all aboard. They waited too long and didn't do enough - even though many were very aware of what was likely to happen. To me all of these incidents are examples of our society not creating self-reliant citizens, and the pussification of all of us but especially our young boys. For god's sake, they don't even allow you to play dodge ball in school anymore - what do you expect?!? _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: Student arrested over Counter Strike map Brian Loe (May 05)
- Re: Student arrested over Counter Strike map Brian Loe (May 05)
- Re: Student arrested over Counter Strike map Drsolly (May 05)
- Re: Student arrested over Counter Strike map Brian Loe (May 05)
- Re: Student arrested over Counter Strike map Drsolly (May 05)
- Re: Student arrested over Counter Strike map John Forrister (May 04)
- Re: Student arrested over Counter Strike map Dennis Henderson (May 04)
- Re: Student arrested over Counter Strike map John Forrister (May 04)
- Re: Student arrested over Counter Strike map Valdis . Kletnieks (May 04)
- Re: Student arrested over Counter Strike map Brian Loe (May 05)
- RE: Student arrested over Counter Strike map Richard M. Smith (May 05)
- Re: Student arrested over Counter Strike map Brian Loe (May 05)
- Re: Student arrested over Counter Strike map Valdis . Kletnieks (May 21)
- Re: Student arrested over Counter Strike map Valdis . Kletnieks (May 04)