Re: FW: Windows Live and Privacy

[Gregory Hicks <ghicks () cadence com>]

> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 22:03:35 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com>
> To: Bruce Ediger <eballen1 () qwest net>
> Subject: Re: [funsec] FW: Windows Live and Privacy
> Cc: funsec () linuxbox org
>
> On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Bruce Ediger wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Brian Loe wrote:
> >
> > > Without intellectual property rights what would our world look like
> > > right now? Even the opensource community has copyrights... (or do they
> > > call them copylefts?)

Yeah but...

The OSS movement does a copyleft so that some commercial enterprise
doesn't come along and just appropriate the software, copyright it
under their own name, and then take the OSS to task for daring to use
"their IP".

Regards,
GRegory Hicks

> > Think "USA before 1909": http://www.arl.org/info/frn/copy/timeline.html
> > This period arguably constituted the period of the most rapid technological
> > change in the USA's history.  I don't doubt a correlation.
> >
> > Before 1909, the USA did not respect copyrights registered in other 
countries.
> > Yes, the USA, My Country, was an IP outlaw, like Singapore and Taiwan today.
> >
> > Some academic research exists to support this sort of system:
> > http://minneapolisfed.org/research/sr/sr357.pdf
> >
> > Boldrin and Levine have published other papers on the subject.
> >
> > Some philosophical objections to copyright also exist:
> > http://libertariannation.org/a/f31l1.html
> >
> > I doubt those will make much impression on you.  The way you phrase your
> > question seems to indicate that you believe that "IP rights" should exist
> > to protect the ideas that you and/or other people come up with.  That's
> > a false basis for reasoning from, at least in terms of copyright law.
> > The basis of copyright law is to get people to disclose ideas by giving
> > them a short period of state-enforced monopoly, during which the inventor
> > can extract monopoly rents.
> >
> > That's a whole lot different than the concept of intellectual *property*.
> > Ideas and concepts basically aren't "property" in the sense that a car
> > or a house or a factory building are property.  Your car can be stolen,
> > depriving you of the use of it.  However, if someone copies my ideas about
> > writing a checker-playing program, neither I nor my program are deprived of
> > the use of those ideas.
>  
> I'd just like to point out that ideas aren't copyrightable. 
>
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