Re: Re: knife ban going to work?

[Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com>]

On Fri, 26 May 2006, Brian Loe wrote:

> On 5/26/06, Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com> wrote:
>
> > > The point is, our murder rate is NOT related to gun ownership, in case
> > > you missed the begining of the thread you helped start.
> >
> > You're right, assuming that all the people murdered with guns would have
> > been bludgeoned to death with a blunt teaspoon, and assuming that the
> > figures that you hope are true match up with reality.
>
> It has nothing to do with what they were murdered with, but that they
> were murdered for gang related business. Remove that from the
> statistics and our murder rate is probably going to be
> normal...regardless of weapon used.

The trouble with removing "gang-related" murders from the statistics, is 
that you've chosen a bunch of murders to disregard, and I don't really see 
how you can decide to leave them out. Did you think that gangs are a 
purely US phenomenon?

> The UK - you keep happily dismissing - has the same number of
> homicides with guns in 00/01 as it had in 1998. THAT gives evidence
> that the murder rate isn't tied to gun ownership, does it not?
 
I don't see how you deduce that. What it says, is that we have a static 
murder rate. And it's good that the US murder rate is falling, and I hope 
that it gets down to UK levels.

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