funsec mailing list archives
Re[2]: French ruling party having a riot on the Internet
From: Pierre Vandevenne <pierre () datarescue com>
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 10:07:27 +0100
Good Day, Tuesday, November 8, 2005, 9:26:59 AM, you wrote: BA> tensions to go with it. If you stick to Steyn's point: that European BA> political stability is being undermined by large numbers of BA> non-integrated immigrants than it is hardly controversial. It's about the same thing as saying racial riots are about to explode any day in Los Angeles, or to say that US political stability is undermined by the large numbers of current scandals in the administration. BA> Surely you don't want a Van Gogh* on French soil? There are several already - Are you sure you are informed? Now, on to the piece The European countries that didn't go to war did not base their decision on the presence of immigrants on their soil. The decision was based on the following A) there was absolutely no intelligence supporting the war. This is something some Americans seem to discover now. It was generally accepted here. B) the population, including the white affluent one, the guys driving BMWs and Mercedes, businessmen etc, was, in its vast majority opposed to war. Opposed to war in general, and especially in that particular case. What those US pundits don't fully realize is that today, huge parts of the European society have unfortunately become profoundly anti-american. We do most of our business with US companies and I have been criticized by other local company managers on several occasions. That's of course unfortunate, because we ultimately share the same value, but the average guy around here likes China better than the US nowadays. As far as the supposed current French "terrorists" are concerned, the piece omits the fact that the French Muslim organizations, both officials and informal, have been _very_ active trying to calm down the riots. In the mix, it is of course possible to find a bad muslim, just as it is possible to find extreme rightist looking for a fight, or leftists wanting to destabilize Sarkozy. Are these days specials? Well, yes and no. Look at this http://www.regards.fr/archives/1995/199507/199507cit01.html "Violences, émeutes, vandalisme, incendies, bavures policières, morts..." "Violences, riots, vandalism, arson, police fuckups, deaths..." Sounds familiar? That was written 10 years ago, in 1995, about the locations that make the news today. Nothing is really new. The problem is essentially a socio-economical issue in France. Gettho-ized poverty, combined with a government that failed about everything it promised and back-pedaled on social reforms. It has very little to do with the big "Good vs Evil" wars some US pundits like to see everywhere. A good, balanced, analysis can be found here http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9938405/site/newsweek/ -- Best regards, Pierre mailto:pierre () datarescue com _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Current thread:
- French ruling party having a riot on the Internet Fergie (Nov 07)
- Re: French ruling party having a riot on the Internet Pierre Vandevenne (Nov 07)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- RE: French ruling party having a riot on the Internet Brian Azzopardi (Nov 08)
- Re[2]: French ruling party having a riot on the Internet Pierre Vandevenne (Nov 08)
- Re: Re[2]: French ruling party having a riot on the Internet Paul Schmehl (Nov 08)
- Re: Re[2]: French ruling party having a riot on the Internet Dude VanWinkle (Nov 08)
- Re: Re[2]: French ruling party having a riot on the Internet Steven Champeon (Nov 08)
- Re: Re[2]: French ruling party having a riot on the Internet Dude VanWinkle (Nov 08)
- Re[2]: French ruling party having a riot on the Internet Pierre Vandevenne (Nov 08)
- Re: Re[2]: French ruling party having a riot on the Internet Nick FitzGerald (Nov 08)
- Re: Re[2]: French ruling party having a riot on the Internet Paul Schmehl (Nov 09)
- Re: Re[2]: French ruling party having a riot on the Internet Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 09)
- RE: Re[2]: French ruling party having a riot on the Internet Richard M. Smith (Nov 09)
- Re[4]: French ruling party having a riot on the Internet Pierre Vandevenne (Nov 09)
- Re: Re[2]: French ruling party having a riot on the Internet Martin Wehlou (Nov 09)