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Re: VPN providers and any providers in general...
From: xD 0x41 <secn3t () gmail com>
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 09:16:11 +1000
haha i should have just agreed with this bit from the start! However, if you're going after somebody for cybercrime, it won't work unless the country has laws against cybercrime that cover the situation in question. !! lol!! still, a very funny story there with UK...but theyre, again, a monarchy, and, they ckinda have laws to suit them :P As you also said, murder is a no brainer in any place...well, maybe not iraq or afghanistan just yet :P lol.. anyhow, thanks for the interesting place to take my head at 9am :P ,very interesting the topic as a whole..very good to debate this stuff, and run for/against it, because then you would probably see more to... so, i guess some people should disagree for the sake of arguments sake or, just kill the thread ;p lol, take care Valdis, xd / Dru On 1 October 2011 08:36, <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 23:55:18 +1000, xD 0x41 said:there are KNOWN places, i have used, and known places wich will not store data, or maybe, provide a proxxy but, they can certainly hide a botnet...As far as you know... :)ONLy people who commit ANY crime in THEYRE country, will bearrested...evernoticed the main BIGGER servers are hosted there, even chat ones ?Not sure how that should be parsed, and the parsing is crucial here - did you mean "they have to commit a crime in their country", or "They have to do something that *would* be a crime in their country"? The general rule is that in order for an extradition to happen, several things must be true: 1) The two countries involved need to have extradition treaties in place. 2) The activity must constitute a crime in the country harboring the accused. 3) The proposed punishment must not be drastically worse than what the harboring country would impose So the US can extradite somebody for murder from pretty much anyplace, because out of 213 or so recognized sovereign governments, there's something like 8 that don't have reciprocal treaties in place for extradition, and murder is illegal in pretty much everywhere. However, if you're going after somebody for cybercrime, it won't work unless the country has laws against cybercrime that cover the situation in question. As for the third part, the US has on several occasions had to guarantee no death penalty for accused murderers they've extradited from countries that don't do capital punishment. So Gary McKinnon got hit with extradition even though he never got accused of breaking a British law (as far as I know)- because the charge *would* have been a crime if he *had* targeted a British server rather than a US server. Meanwhile, Julian Assange's extradition on a rape charge hit some serious legal snags because the exact behavior that Assange was accused of didn't actually meet the definition of "rape" in England.
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