Re: Fwd: wikileaks still under attack, pressure revved up

[Christie Dudley <longobord () gmail com>]

The problem with picking the bits that they think the world needs to know is
that is the point where editorialization happens.  It would be against the
spirit of providing a complete disclosure to trim back the data in any way.

C
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On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] <
cal.leeming () simplicitymedialtd co uk> wrote:

> You do raise a very good argument, especially the part about "security
> through obscurity".
>
> I don't know if Wikileaks have done a good thing or not, but rather than
> release everything, they should have had someone analyse the documents, and
> pick out the bits which they felt the public needed to know (anything
> considered a scandal etc) .. We don't care about soldiers movements or
> tactics, but an insurgent might... I see little reason why they'd need to
> release all the documents, other than out of lazyness/insufficient staff to
> review all the info..
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 7:08 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:06:15 PDT, Jonathan Medina said:
> > > I am in the military, currently in Iraq, and these Wikileaks posts
> > > have hurt us more than people realize. It does two things, first, it
> > > demonstrates our tactics and procedures which allow insurgents to
> > > conduct more effective attacks against us,
> >
> > I suspect that the insurgents already knew 90 to 95% of our tactics and
> > procedures simply by observing how we do things. After all, most of what
> > we do
> > can be easily learned by a good scout with a vantage point and a good pair
> > of
> > binoculars.  How far apart do we drive on a convoy?  Which armaments are
> > on the vehicles in front, at back?  Which directions do the lookouts on
> > the
> > first and last vehicles tend to look?  What formations do we use during
> > house-to-house searches?  These are all things that any competent
> > commander has to assume the other side knows because the other side
> > has good scouts and access to binoculars.  Think - how much do *we*
> > know about insurgent tactics even without Wikileaks posting the
> > insurgent playbook?
> >
> > As a result, even 100% perfect knowledge of our tactics wouldn't
> > translate into all *that* big an increase in attack effectiveness, unless
> > hidden in that 5% is a "ventilation shaft that leads directly to the
> > reactor
> > core" flaw in our tactics ("Every 3rd Tuesday, we do XYZ and one very
> > small
> > bomb in the right place would set off a chain reaction of all the
> > munitions on
> > the base").
> >
> > And if we have that sort of flaw in our tactics, maybe we should actually
> > fix them rather than depend on security through obscurity.
> >
> > Just sayin'.
> >
> > >                                                                  and
> > second, the information
> > > it provides to insurgents endangers our sources and the families of
> > > sources that have provided us with valuable information. It also
> > > provides a means of giving insurgents propaganda to use against us.
> >
> > I believe the "endangers our sources" part has already been debunked
> > by the top leadership at the Pentagon.
> >
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