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Re: can someone please try and explain to me....
From: Jon Janego <jonjanego () gmail com>
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:14:23 -0500
I'll respectfully disagree- the entire concept being defined as "cyberwar" is based on the assumption that cyber attacks will be government sponsored. I'd argue that a 'guerilla' style organization sowing havoc on the internet can be just as effective as a 'cyberwar' operator as a government could be, maybe more so. So while 'cyberwar' may be an alarmist term, just because it's not from a government doesn't mean it's not a war-type activity. The real question is, just like the 'war on terrorism' - who are the operators in the war? Tech folks haven't even come to an agreement on what would really constitute a 'cyberwar', so it's not surprising that the media definitely isn't capable. On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:56 AM, <foofus () foofus net> wrote:
Why people call this so-called Korea DDoS a cyber war? Don't people know how the Internet works yet?The problem isn't that people fail to understand how the Internet works (they do fail at this, but that's not the problem). The problem is how exciting it is to use terms like "cyberwar." In the words of a prominent researcher: if [people shouting "cyberwar"] want to be taken seriously, they need to start releasing proof to the mailing lists and name specific intelligence agency's who are conducting the Cyberwar. I don't think there is a cyberwar, there will be intelligencers probing the networks for secrets, thats not a cyberwar. Cyberwar is something completely different [...] Cyberwar *could* be real, *look at this*. Although the truth is, we haven't seen a Cyberwar yet, it's still in the imaginary dream book stage. Regardless of one's understanding of the Internet, getting to say "cyberwar" is just too tempting for lots of people to resist. --Foofus. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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