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Re: agile hacking?
From: "Petko D. Petkov" <pdp.gnucitizen () googlemail com>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:08:31 +0000
reepex, you are the only one backing up troth, read on all comments... I don't bash people. I encourage them and this is present in all my work and the work behind the GNUCITIZEN umbrella. Not I, but the crowd hanged him, as well they will hang you for your arrogant, egocentric, foolish and rather juvenile behavior. I personally don't care about you, nor I care if you like the work on GNUCITIZEN or even my work. In my eyes and the eyes of others you follow very basic parasitic social pattern: making a name for yourself not based on your knowledge but based on your arrogant, bottomless comments. You don't lead by example! You are a parasite, a vampire, sucking blood and energy from those around you. I hardly doubt that anyone can consider you as a friend or even appreciate your skills and knowledge when you are nothing more but a vulture. Comparing the Agile Hacking project with books such as "How to Own a Continent" (by FX, Paul Craig, Joe Grand, and Tim Mullen...), "How to Own the Box" (by Ryan Russell, Ido Dubrawsky, FX, and Joe Grand...), "How to Own a Shadow" (by Johnny Long, Tim Mullen, and Ryan Russell...), "The Art of Intrusion" (by Kevin D. Mitnick, and William L. Simon..) and the "Hacking Exposed" series (by some of the most recognized information security experts such as, but not only, Johnny Cache, Chris Davis, Stuart McClure, Joel Scambray, Andrew Vladimirov, Brian Hatch, David Endler...), is nothing but a flattering comment. I hope that this project achieves and even superseeds their success. These are some of my favorite books and I have a great respect for their authors. You and all others who support your dieing cause and who have repeatedly attacked what we have build from scratch with far too many sacrifaces, can laugh now but the simple fact is that you will never even come close to what we have already achieved and gave to this community. You and all other Full-disclosure trolls proved to be untrustworthy, unworthy even creatures. I hope that your real identities stay well hidden behind your nicknames as I highly doubt that you will succeed in life. If I were in your place I would have reconsidered my values. Your and the other trolls comments are not satire but idiocracy as a fellow GNUCITIZEN reader have pointed out. Kind Regards, pdp founder of GNUCITIZEN, information security research, penetration tester, life hacker, co-author of two best-selling books, author of numerous printed publications and online media outlets, active speaker and opinion former, hacker culture evangelist, founder of Hakiri, entrepreneur, lecturer, etc... I am far behind the people I look after for inspiration and guidance but I am well ahead of you. On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:35 AM, reepex <reepex () gmail com> wrote:
so no one respects me, i bash people's projects, etc... whatever. You still do not explain why you have the attitude that any who does not like your work or ideas is a talentless troll that you can brush off. On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 2:40 AM, Petko D. Petkov <pdp.gnucitizen () googlemail com> wrote:Dear Reepex, Unfortunately, you've already lost all the respect for a larger portion of people on this mailing list as well outside of it. You have never led by example but by bashing people on what they try to accomplish. Everyone who has been in this industry/life style for long enough know that they don't know everything. In fact, as the saying goes: "A wise man never knows all, only fools know everything". My advise to you is to stop pretending being someone and be who you are. If you think that this project is crap then help to make it better. Everyone that has ever written a book, knows how hard it is to put everything together and how frustrating it is to want to put the things that you want not having the chance to do so. It is easier to say what is crap but 100x harder to do it wright. Also, it is very easy to take apart people from what they have accomplished, I've done it myself:http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/hamster-plus-hotspot-equals-web-20-meltdown-not/but 100 of times harder to put yourself in their shoes: http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/reconsidering-the-side-jacking-attack/ Again, lead by example not by baseless comments. Regards, pdp On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Nate McFeters <nate.mcfeters () gmail com>wrote:Ok, I'll buy that, that's reasonable. I wasn't in the exchange withthoth.I guess when I read about a community project to write the ultimatehackingbook, I assumed people from all backgrounds of security would beinterestedin contributing... maybe that's a bit of a Utopian view, but I couldimaginea one stop Frankenstein of a book (probably one so large you couldn'tevencarry a hard-copy) that has some really great great stuff if the right people contribute. Right now, I've got disjointed information everywhere that I referenceforvarious things all over my damn computer and bookshelfs... Uninformed papers, presentations from various sources, manuals, books, blah blahblah.If it was done right, I think the book could be pretty damn cool. Of course, that depends on the community support and the content that comesoutof that. I'm not sure what PDP has envisioned for the book, I've beenjusttoo busy today to give the article a good read, but I've always beenveryinterested in these community projects. I think that's why I love ToorCon and really was bummed that I didn'tget tomake it out to 24c3 this year... lots of collaboration going on there. Nate On 3/18/08, reepex <reepex () gmail com> wrote:On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Nate McFeters<nate.mcfeters () gmail com>wrote:I don't consider myself a 'kiddie' and I've considered contributingtoit. I feel like the old adage of blowing out someone elses flame tomakeyours burn brighter applies here. Reepex, I didn't get a chance to seeyourpresentation at kiwicon, bit to expensive for an American on a tightbudgetto get out there, but if you have a link, I'd love to have a look.We'vetalked before, so I assume the presentation is good since I know youknowyour stuff; however, I've also seen some cool stuff come out of PDP and Gnucitizen... why the need to bash?I did not give the talk, thoth did. The reason I brought it up isbecauseofhttp://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/agile-hacking/#comment-116766 where pdp blindly assumes thoth does not have a clue, while notknowinghis background which must be some strange complex where people thinkanyonewho disagrees with them is inferior.Web app hacking may not be the coolest topic in the world toyourselfand many others, but it is something that a lot of companies areconcernedwith these days,Yes and we agreed web hacking has its place... the point I made wasthatyou cannot write 'the best hacking manual ever made' as pdp is toutingitwhile only covering web hacking and running combinations of differenttoolssuch as kismet/tcpdump that pdp mentined as an example._______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/-- Petko D. (pdp) Petkov | GNUCITIZEN | Hakiri | Spin Hunters gnucitizen.org | hakiri.org | spinhunters.org
-- Petko D. (pdp) Petkov | GNUCITIZEN | Hakiri | Spin Hunters gnucitizen.org | hakiri.org | spinhunters.org _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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