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Re: PC Firewall Choices
From: "Dave Korn" <davek_throwaway () hotmail com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:36:33 -0000
Nic Werner wrote in news:a050c2f00601171542o37d217d0r85a92048d6b62739 () mail gmail com
On 1/17/06, Greg <full-disclosure2 () pchandyman com au> wrote:-----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-bounces@ On Behalf Of Nic Werner Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2006 10:05 AM
ZoneAlarm - gets in the way, and hard to diagnose problems. You end up turning it off because it never remembers your settings and you can't trust it.Rubbish. Sure it gets in the way. It is MEANT to get in the way. If you close it down, it is likely because you don't know how to drive it. The prog CAN be a little hard to newbies to understand if you want to go internet banking etc but people on this list ought to know how to handle it.Getting in your way as opposed to letting you get work done are two different things. Kerio does a great job of popping up and explaining what is happening while I've seen more people confused by ZA and its dialogs No, we've turned ZA off as web sites or programs won't load (Ciscoworks, nGenius, etc) and even though we've checked the logs of ZA, nothing shows as being blocked. Turn it off and everything magically works. I will never run the bloat that is ZA.
I'd like to second what Greg says. I've used ZA for years, through many changes of version. It's never forgotten its settings for me. It's never blocked anything it shouldn't or not blocked anything it should. It's not remotely bloated compared to similar packages like anything Norton/Symantec/McAfee[*] Nor do I find a dialog such as "Should internet explorer be allowed to connect to the internet" at all confusing. So I'm convinced the problem exists between chair and keyboard. Can you actually back up your claims? For example, can you describe a simple procedure, that anyone with ZA installed could try out, that shows it to misbehave? Or do you have detailed notes that you took at the time one of these problems occurred that shows the symptoms you observed and the steps you took to attempt to diagnose and solve the problem? Or can we just expect to hear "No, I didn't know what was going on, I didn't keep proper notes, I was in a rush and just needed to get things working so I didn't investigate"? In which case it would be false to claim that you knew ZA to be the cause of the problem, rather than either pilot error or a faulty PC or any number of other confounding factors that could arise? I hear people slagging off ZA quite often, but not one of them has ever been able to actually demonstrate a real problem or even explain what the problem is in terms any more precise then "Uh I dunno it just went wrong". cheers, DaveK [*] which I consider to be the gold standard for lousy, bloated, buggy, faulty software. -- Can't think of a witty .sigline today.... _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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