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Re: CORE-Impact license bypass
From: c0ntex <c0ntexb () gmail com>
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:11:32 +0100
I agree with most of your comments, but it may be prudent to recall that not every attack is performed by a "script kid". Do remember that skilled attackers exsist and are active in penetrating networks, usually those same ones that Nessus "monitor" ;)))) On 27/09/05, Martin Mkrtchian <dotsecure () gmail com> wrote:
I think automated tools should be used for penentration testing when it is possible. Why should the penetration tester use manual means and waste time? After all your average script kiddie will be using CORE like applications such as Metasploit to exploit a system. I do understand that for the techies out there automated tool is not a respectable way to do pen testing because it does not show your true skills, but bottom line is business doesnt care if you use manual or automated tools, what business cares about is for you to take all the possible appraoch to hack proof a system. Just because you are running automated tool doesnt mean you do not have the expertise. In fact tool may do the job, but it is security analyst's responsibility to analyze and develop high level and technical plan in how to remediate the issue. So therefore it is my personal opinion that automated tools save time from analysts perspective and money from business perspective. Thanks -- Martin Visit my security blog: http://dotsecure.blogspot.com On 9/27/05, Bernhard Mueller <research () sec-consult com> wrote:Exibar wrote:I didn't mean to imply that the consultants create their ownexploits,not many I know could even begin to do that, only a couple are talented enough to do just that. Even for those very few, it's just not feasable from a time perspective. Much quick and cost effective to use what'soutthere.so what use is a pentest if the consultant isn't even talented enough to find / create exploits for unknown vulnerabilities? any average admin can install and run an automatic security scanner. furthermore, a common nessus report contains 99% useless garbage. and most of the time, you can not apply generic exploits like these from metasploit to a specific customer situation. in my experience, nearly all sites have some serious security flaws even if tools like nessus say the contrary. there may be self-coded applications or software that is not widely known or tested so they're not found in any vulnerability database. or, if that is not the case, you may even find new flaws in well-established software. IMHO you can not deliver a reasonable security assessment until you have checked everything by hand. regards, -- _____________________________________________________ ~ DI (FH) Bernhard Mueller ~ IT Security Consultant ~ SEC-Consult Unternehmensberatung GmbH ~ www.sec-consult.com ~ A-1080 Wien Blindengasse 3 ~ Tel: +43/676/840301718 ~ Fax: +43/(0)1/4090307-590 ______________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter:http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.htmlHosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/_______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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- Re: CORE-Impact license bypass Exibar (Sep 27)
- Re: CORE-Impact license bypass Bernhard Mueller (Sep 27)
- Re: CORE-Impact license bypass Martin Mkrtchian (Sep 27)
- Re: CORE-Impact license bypass c0ntex (Sep 27)
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- Re: CORE-Impact license bypass Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 27)
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