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Re: Hacking Boot camps!
From: InfoSecBOFH <infosecbofh () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:16:13 -0800
On 11/23/05, Koen Van Impe <koen.vanimpe () belnet be> wrote:
On what information is your point of view based? Could you provide some facts (what vendors are given marketing opportunities)? Did you attend any SANS course lately?
Yes, I actually hold many SANS certifications that I have used to wipe my ass with. Look up the definition of SANS at dictionary.com Sans; to be without; lacking - Their training is out of date - Most of their instructors are unqualified to answer any questions that are not in their training books. - Most of their instructors will feed you with a marketing pitch for their own consulting or product companies. - The so called "SANS What Works" program where they endorse vendors who have products that actually work and help with infosec issues is a sham. They will list any vendor that pays their 25K "fee" to be listed. - Here is how the pyramid works. You have Northcutt and Paller on the top of things as the creators of this so called non-profit (yet they have multi million dollar homes in Hawaii). They *USE* volunteers to come up with training material and to run their "mentoring program". Then, they take the volunteer work, hand it to their close friends who also happen to be their full time instructors let them take credit for it and have them deliver the course and of course pay them very well for it. Nothing like making money for your 'non profit" on the backs of volunteers who you still charge to attend the training BTW. FULL DISCLOSURE -- I hold SANS certifications but only because my employer paid for them at the time because they wanted to market their products via SANS and SANS required them to have someone certified. I paid zero attention in class and yet still scored some of the highest marks on their tests that they have had. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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