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RE: IE is just as safe as FireFox
From: "joe" <mvp () joeware net>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:40:26 -0500
I 100% agree with you. I never said MS was the best or even that they should always be used. In fact in many occasions I have pushed for alternative answers for companies who were customers. Being the best or even better doesn't mean you will become the most popular either. Look at Apple. Look at BetaMax. Look at lots of things. To fully be honest though, MS isn't McDonalds. MS in the food world would be McDonald's, Burger King, Wendies, Hardees, Taco Bell, Red Robin, Olive Garden, Dominoes, Pizza Hut, Little Caesers, Jack in the Box, and every other food chain you know of and also every major diner and eatery you know of. The things that weren't Microsoft would be the little corner deli's, placed that are called names like Michael's kitchen or Mohsin's Falafel stand. It is a simple fact of life that MS has enough overall market share to make the penetration of all other OS'es look like rounding errors. MS appeals to the masses, the others appeal to niche areas. Look at the numbers. This means that we have to do serious work at getting the stuff corrected. Whining and complaining that they aren't the best or that they suck or that billg is hellspawn does nothing to help anyone. Basically, just because MS is on top, doesn't mean we shouldn't work to push them to get better or give up and say, OS * does it much better, forget them. But at the same time, we have to be realistic about the goals and what needs to be done. Someone saying that they won't use IE and any web site that requires it is stupid because they aren't following web standards is rather shortsighted and having troubles grasping reality. Someone saying that MS needs to rip all of that out immediately is also having reality issues. I do think it is right and feasible for MS to give people a choice as to whether they want IE bits on a machine or not at all (this includes all of the bits). If I run an MS box and html content doesn't work in my MS mail reader, I am not going to be overly upset. If I was, then say I install that component. The realistic gripe is that we don't have the option to not load IE at the moment. Trying to change that is a realistic goal, definitely on servers for instance, users aren't visiting web sites from servers or at least probably shouldn't be. Microsoft can become secure and they are working towards it. It is just going to take a good amount of work to do so. :o) joe -- Pro-Choice Let me choose if I even want a browser loaded thanks! -----Original Message----- From: john morris [mailto:me.morris () gmail com] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 4:32 PM To: joe Cc: full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox Dear Joe, So many out there use MS OS doesnt make it the best just as so many people go to McDonalds doesnt mean they make the best food -- (FROM LINKS TO LINKS WE ARE ALL LINKED) cheersssss..... morris _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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