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Re: Anti-MS drivel
From: Luca Mihailescu <luca () mihailescu net>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:21:42 -0500
David, Your company is obivously a "geek" friendly enviroment where not using m$ products is ok and not a business requirement.But when you have tons of presentations monthly where the client is only using Powerpoint ( and only powerpoint because it's working for him ) , using OpenOffice it's NOT an option.Same goes for the rest of office products. We have around 600 desktops running a mix of win 2k/ xp pro and maybe 50 servers running 2k server and 2k3 server.We use a checkpoint fw and symantec corporate edition for antivir. Last time I've seen a server infected was 3 years ago ( one nt machine everybody forgot about got owned using unicode exploit ).As for virii we NEVER had an infection. It all boils down to keeping an eye on what's out there in terms of exploits and being pro-active.And don't give the "we dont have enough manpower to deal with all the windows exploits" stuff. I dont even remember when was the last time i had to go to a machine and install a patch ( we're using software update services for that - does a good job and it's free ). The antivirus server is deploying updated virus def files as soon is it gets any...and so on. Ah, and the mail server strips any "funny" mail attachments. Luca. Quoting "Edward W. Ray" <support () mmicman com>:
Mary: Cisco at least has competition. Juniper Networks has about a 25% share of the router market, which keeps Cisco honest. Microsoft has almost market penetration at the desktop for both the home and business. IMHO, they deserve all the anti-MS drivel people can dish out. I will tire of it when I don't have to spend an hour each month clearing my firewall logs of attempted Code Red and Nimda infection attempts Edward W. Ray -----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Mary Landesman Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:55 AM To: David F. Skoll; tlarholm () pivx com Cc: bugtraq () securityfocus com; ntbugtraq () listserv ntbugtraq com; full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause That's pretty much like teaching your kids to never talk to strangers, or never visit the "bad" part of town. Fact is, most crimes are committed by people we know. Microsoft is often victimized, mainly because they are so ubiquitous. Cisco is running a poll right now to see which of the 17 critical patches are most important to users, because they only have the manpower to fix 10 of them. Should we all stop using Cisco products? This anti-MS drivel is so tiresome. -- Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "David F. Skoll" <dfs () roaringpenguin com> To: <tlarholm () pivx com> Cc: <bugtraq () securityfocus com>; <ntbugtraq () listserv ntbugtraq com>; <full-disclosure () lists netsys com> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 12:06 PM Subject: [Full-disclosure] Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 tlarholm () pivx com wrote:I just wanted to remind everybody that tomorrow is Personal Firewall Day. http://www.personalfirewallday.org/That Web site is utterly disingenuous. Rather than giving low-value information, how about high-value information that actually protects people: 1) Don't use Windows. 2) Don't use Outlook. Our company uses neither Windows nor Outlook, and although we do have a firewall, we do not use anti-virus software. Of course, the sponsors of the site (Microsoft and a bunch of anti-virus vendors) can hardly see it as being in their interest to actually create a secure computing environment. Regards, David. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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- RE: Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause Chris Harrington (Jan 15)
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- Re: Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause Dani Wuck (Jan 15)
- Re: Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause Ron DuFresne (Jan 15)
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- Re: Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause Damian Gerow (Jan 15)
- Re: Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause Ron DuFresne (Jan 15)
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- Re: Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause David F. Skoll (Jan 15)
- Re: Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause Mary Landesman (Jan 15)
- Anti-MS drivel Edward W. Ray (Jan 17)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel Luca Mihailescu (Jan 17)
- RE: Help Net Security Dot Squatting ? the measly one (Jan 18)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel martin f krafft (Jan 22)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel Gregh (Jan 17)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel David F. Skoll (Jan 19)
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- Re: Anti-MS drivel David F. Skoll (Jan 20)
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- RE: Anti-MS drivel Dinis Cruz (Jan 19)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 20)