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RE: Anti-MS drivel
From: "James Patterson Wicks" <pwicks () oxygen com>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:47:44 -0500
Microsoft has competition. Apple, Sun, Red Hat . . . Problem is Apple is full of idiots who feature style over substance. The system has to look better than it performs. They want people to pay a premium to make it seem that their products are for the elite only. The OS is more stable than Microsoft, but their elitist attitude will always keep them at 5% market share. Sun's Java should be the market leader, but they don't have the cash to take on the 800 pound gorilla that is Microsoft. Java is on running Spirit, the rover that is on Mars right now. Imagine if Spirit had a Microsoft OS running it. Right after touchdown on Mars, you see the first image of the landscape and then . . . . BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH!! Sorry, but the guy from the Help Desk can't just stop by and reboot it this time. Even NASA is not crazy enough to trust a billion dollar project to a Microsoft OS. Linux is just not ready for prime time. By prime time I mean on the homes of the American public. Regular home consumers don't want to have to learn a new language to use e-mail or play games. They want to be able to update a security hole without having to compile something. Linux needs an interface like OS X and a software library to back it for "normal" people to be interested. Business on the other hand is moving slowly to Linux. Why slowly? Who do you sue when your business is hacked by someone who planted a backdoor in the Linux kernel? Won't happen you say? Let's see, almost happened once already . . . Linux kernel suffers Trojan horse hack - http://www.silicon.com/software/os/0,39024651,39116796,00.htm Microsoft threw an incomplete, insecure computer solution at an eager market for a low price, so home users and businesses lapped it up. Ever since Windows 95, home computing and Microsoft are nearly joined at the hip. It will take time to break Microsoft's nine-year hold, but it's going to take more than OS X and the current Linux offerings to do it. -----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Edward W. Ray Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 12:38 PM To: 'Mary Landesman'; 'David F. Skoll'; tlarholm () pivx com Cc: bugtraq () securityfocus com; ntbugtraq () listserv ntbugtraq com; full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: [Full-disclosure] Anti-MS drivel Mary: Cisco at least has competition. Juniper Networks has about a 25% share of the router market, which keeps Cisco honest. Microsoft has almost market penetration at the desktop for both the home and business. IMHO, they deserve all the anti-MS drivel people can dish out. I will tire of it when I don't have to spend an hour each month clearing my firewall logs of attempted Code Red and Nimda infection attempts Edward W. Ray -----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Mary Landesman Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:55 AM To: David F. Skoll; tlarholm () pivx com Cc: bugtraq () securityfocus com; ntbugtraq () listserv ntbugtraq com; full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause That's pretty much like teaching your kids to never talk to strangers, or never visit the "bad" part of town. Fact is, most crimes are committed by people we know. Microsoft is often victimized, mainly because they are so ubiquitous. Cisco is running a poll right now to see which of the 17 critical patches are most important to users, because they only have the manpower to fix 10 of them. Should we all stop using Cisco products? This anti-MS drivel is so tiresome. -- Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "David F. Skoll" <dfs () roaringpenguin com> To: <tlarholm () pivx com> Cc: <bugtraq () securityfocus com>; <ntbugtraq () listserv ntbugtraq com>; <full-disclosure () lists netsys com> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 12:06 PM Subject: [Full-disclosure] Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 tlarholm () pivx com wrote:
I just wanted to remind everybody that tomorrow is Personal Firewall
Day.
http://www.personalfirewallday.org/
That Web site is utterly disingenuous. Rather than giving low-value information, how about high-value information that actually protects people: 1) Don't use Windows. 2) Don't use Outlook. Our company uses neither Windows nor Outlook, and although we do have a firewall, we do not use anti-virus software. Of course, the sponsors of the site (Microsoft and a bunch of anti-virus vendors) can hardly see it as being in their interest to actually create a secure computing environment. Regards, David. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html This e-mail is the property of Oxygen Media, LLC. It is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or otherwise protected from disclosure. Distribution or copying of this e-mail or the information contained herein by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by sending an e-mail to postmaster () oxygen com and destroy all electronic and paper copies of this e-mail. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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- RE: Anti-MS drivel James Patterson Wicks (Jan 17)
- RE: Anti-MS drivel Scott Taylor (Jan 17)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel yossarian (Jan 17)
- RE: [inbox] Re: Anti-MS drivel Curt Purdy (Jan 18)
- RE: [inbox] Re: Anti-MS drivel joe (Jan 18)
- RE: [inbox] Re: Anti-MS drivel joe (Jan 18)
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- Re: Anti-MS drivel yossarian (Jan 17)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel Ron DuFresne (Jan 20)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel Michal Zalewski (Jan 20)
- RE: Old school applications on the Internet (was Anti-MS drivel) Bill Royds (Jan 20)
- Re: Old school applications on the Internet(was Anti-MS drivel) Gregh (Jan 21)
- RE: Anti-MS drivel Scott Taylor (Jan 17)