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Re: Knocking Microsoft
From: martin f krafft <madduck () madduck net>
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:32:10 +0100
also sprach Steve Wray <steve.wray () paradise net nz> [2004.02.28.0218 +0100]:
Most of the nice, friendly, easy to use package management systems (rpm and apt for two) usually run the daemon in its default configuration, immediately its installed.
While this is somewhat true, I suggest again to look at Debian. If they start the daemon by default, then usually the configuration will have been secured by the packager.
IMO this *sucks* and is every bit as bad as any M$ offering.
I agree. There are easy ways to undo these changes though, using apt hooks and the like.
Some of them (debian comes to mind) even set up services like mysql to run in *single*user*mode*;
not true. debconf asks whether mysql should be started on boot. only if the admin says 'yes', then the following is executed: update-rc.d mysql defaults from update-rc.d(8): If defaults is used then update-rc.d will make links to start the ser- vice in runlevels 2345 and stop the service in runlevels 016.
debian even brings up networking in single user!
... which is helpful. alas, there are no daemons listening, so what gives?
I recently had the joy of discovering that when you install the debian watchdog package, it sets it up to run in single user, so if its misconfigured, you have to boot with init=/bin/sh to fix the mess (otherwise you bring it up in single user and it just reboots itself over and over).
wrong: from debian/postinst: update-rc.d watchdog defaults 10 80 >/dev/null
This isn't just a bug, its a design flaw!
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