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Re: idea
From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:43:31 -0400
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 22:26:39 PDT, John Sage <jsage () finchhaven com> said:
Thanks indeed for posting your interesting ideas, but I've just now beaten you to it, and if you *do* write such a program, my army of underworked, avaricious lawyers will sue the cr*p out of you, and you'll be working for me for the rest of your life.
Actually, John... it's not as clear as all that. Since D B had the first *posting* on it, unless you could show clear proof that your work preceded it, he'd have you. "just now beaten to it" is actually a very bad phrase to use, because you'd have to fight the assertion that you stole his idea and developed it first. In any case, there's three main categories of law that apply here (at least in the US): Copyright, Patent, and Trade Secret. Let's look at each in turn: Copytight law: Covers an *expression* of an idea. You can copyright a song melody, but you can't copyright the concept of songs about washed-up lawyers. Unless there's actual code copying or other similar infringement, neither of you would be able to go after the other for implementing the *idea* of a frequency-shifting file transfer program, if you implement it independently. Relevant laws are in USC Title 17: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/ (in particular Chapter 1). Patent Law: This covers an *idea* rather than a particular expression. Unfortunately, there's a "prior art" clause, as Arthur C Clarke found out - he wasn't able to patent the idea of a geosynchronous communications satellite because he published first. So unless one of you had *already* applied for a patent before the original posting, you're both out of luck. Relevant law is Title 35, in particular Chapter 10. http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/35/pIIch10.html Trade Secret: This basically boils down to "You have a clever idea that gives you a competitive advantage, and you keep it a secret. If somebody steals it from you, then you can sue them to their skivvies". However, once publicly disclosed, it doesn't have trade secret status anymore. So unless one of you is alleging that the other (for example) hacked into a computer and stole a 0day you were using and *NOT* giving to others, neither of you has any grounds under trade secret law. See Title 18, Chaper 90: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/pIch90.html IANAL, and if the possibility that I've overlooked or botched the summary matters, consult an actual lawyer.
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- Re: idea martin f krafft (Sep 21)
- Re: Re: idea Chris Anley (Sep 22)
- RE: idea Robert Ahnemann (Sep 19)
- RE: idea D B (Sep 19)
- Re: idea Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 20)
- Re: idea John Sage (Sep 20)
- Re: idea martin f krafft (Sep 21)
- RE: idea Philippe Biondi (Sep 20)
- RE: idea Matt Barrie (Sep 20)
- Re: idea Justin (Sep 20)
- Re: idea (quite a bit off-topic, but....) Dave Howe (Sep 21)