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RE: [inbox] Re: CyberInsecurity: The cost of Mo nopoly
From: Chris Cozad <ccozad () sci-aust com au>
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:28:36 +1000
-----Original Message----- From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu [mailto:Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu] Sent: Tuesday, 30 September 2003 11:49 PM To: Chris Cozad Cc: 'Paul Schmehl'; 'full-disclosure () lists netsys com' Subject: Re: [inbox] Re: [Full-disclosure] CyberInsecurity: The cost of Mo nopoly On Tuesday, 30 September 2003 11:49 PM, Valdis.Kletnieks said:
Do you really think you could convince the average user that they need to know this much about security? I mean, most users see their computers
(and
the network, servers, phones, faxes, etc...) as a tool to do business
with.
Nothing else. The computers are there to do a job, or help get a job
done,
and nothing else. It is not so much that they don't know, it is that they don't need to know.
This argument is a total crock. Most people manage to drive cars that remain operational, because they either learn how to do the maintenance themselves, or they outsource it to a guy called a "mechanic".
Here.. let's do a s/computer/cars/ on that paragraph:
You are just re-wording my point. Security Personel are the mechanics in your example. There are two types of people user) in the computer world. There are those that have an interest in how things work, and those that don't care, or don't want to know. Our problem is that the vast majority of users out there don't care about security. And these people probably don't need to know. They are accountants, sales people, managers, trainers, etc... They are employed for their abilities in other areas. I suppose I could follow your example, and come up with a different analogy. These same people that use our computers also use photocopiers. They don't necessarily know all the functions that are available on that machine, nor do they know how to fix it when it breaks. They may just know how to put a piece of paper in the top, and make 10 copies come out the bottom. But that is fine. Thats all they need to know to sell their product, or do their accounts, or whatever. I could keep going with coffee machines, printers, calculators, etc..., but you get the point.
Do you really think you could convince the average person that they need
to
know this much about fuel injectors? I mean, most people see their cars
(and
the network, servers, phones, faxes, etc...) as a tool to do business
with.
Nothing else. The cars are there to do a job, or help get a job done, and nothing else. It is not so much that they don't know, it is that they don't need to know.
I'll point out that the average car no longer comes with a crank to start
it,
or a manual choke button that you have to remember to push back in. The average car no longer needs major maintenance every few hundred miles.
So why are we tolerating computers that have cranks and choke buttons and need major maintenance every few hundred hours?
We definitely shouldn't tolerate this, but until there is a viable solution....... Chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the originator of the message. This footer also confirms that this email message has been scanned for the presence of computer viruses. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifies and with authority, states them to be the views of Service Corporation International Australia. Scanning of this message and addition of this footer is performed by SurfControl SuperScout Email Filter software in conjunction with virus detection software. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the originator of the message. This footer also confirms that this email message has been scanned for the presence of computer viruses. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifies and with authority, states them to be the views of Service Corporation International Australia. Scanning of this message and addition of this footer is performed by SurfControl SuperScout Email Filter software in conjunction with virus detection software.
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