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RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm
From: "JT" <ptourvi1 () twcny rr com>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:54:49 -0400
Hey, I totally agree that some security is better than none at all. But I also have yet to have a problem getting a person to get a router....if they have an issue, then by all means, I'd rather go PFW than nothing at all. Apparently YOU would have us believe a user would GO TO BEST BUY vs just ordering it online! You create difficulties that do not really exist in order to support your argument. How many people have a BEST BUY near them??! No, they'd "order" it the same way they "order" ZA, by clicking some links and providing some info. After that, the setup is easier, please show me where ZA comes with a huge fold out diagram with pictures on it showing where to plug the 3 whole cables and be done with it except for a possible update here and there. Either way, I don't think anyone is saying to go with NO security vs. some. -----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Shawn McMahon Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:39 AM To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 11:13:04AM -0400, JT said:
This is a lame basis for your argument. You provide 2 vulnerabilities that are old. Everything has vulnerabilities, I will not waste my time search
ZA It wasn't a basis for my argument. It was a specific answer to a specific assertion, which was that nobody here has had to flash upgrade a router in the last few years. Vulnerabilities that affect both of the major home router vendors, that have occured in the last few years, and that require a flash upgrade to fix, are perfectly reasonable responses to that. In summary, read the entire thread, or go play somewhere else.
for the most part. Which is easier? Right, the router is easier because
they
just plug it in and go. You would have us believe that these "inept" users WITHOUT ANY computer person are going to be smart enough to FIND zone
alarm,
INSTALL it, CONFIGURE it, and then decide each time anything wants to hit the net. Please, spend 30 more seconds and show me some CURRENT vulnerabilities.
And you would have us believe that if offered a choice between "go to this link, download it, and install it" and "go to Best Buy and spend money, then hook up cables", every single user in the entire world will choose the latter. This naive beyond belief, even if you don't count the people for whom the purchase option will take weeks even if they had the money. Most Windows users know how to install a program. Many (and I'm not by any stretch of the imagination saying all) are afraid of hardware, and many (ditto) will view the tradeoff of $40 for security as worthless. Are you going to write all x-hundred million of them personal emails talking them into it? There are people on the Internet for whom their PC represents a year's labor, and a new router represents months. Telling those people not to bother with any security is ridiculous. Nobody is saying that software firewalls are inherently superior to dedicated firewalls in all circumstances, or even most circumstances. But security that isn't used isn't security. If the choice is between doing nothing or downloading a program, and I assure you that in many cases it will be that choice, I'd rather they download the program and have SOME security, which means some resistance to being 0wnz0r3d and causing ME a problem despite my security. -- Shawn McMahon | Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, EIV Consulting | that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any UNIX and Linux | hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure http://www.eiv.com| the survival and the success of liberty. - JFK _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
Current thread:
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm Schmehl, Paul L (Jun 04)
- Re: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm morning_wood (Jun 04)
- Re: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm Shawn McMahon (Jun 05)
- Re: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm morning_wood (Jun 05)
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm JT (Jun 05)
- Re: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm morning_wood (Jun 05)
- Re: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm Shawn McMahon (Jun 05)
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm JT (Jun 05)
- Re: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm Shawn McMahon (Jun 05)
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm JT (Jun 05)
- Re: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm Shawn McMahon (Jun 05)
- Re: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm Nick FitzGerald (Jun 05)
- Re: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm morning_wood (Jun 04)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm Robert J. Liebsch (Jun 04)
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm Robert J. Liebsch (Jun 04)
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm Schmehl, Paul L (Jun 04)
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm JT (Jun 04)
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm Lars Duesing (Jun 05)
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm Cedric Blancher (Jun 05)
- Re[2]: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm Frank J. Hoffmann (Jun 05)
- RE: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm JT (Jun 04)