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Re: Ethics, morality and the industry
From: Margles <margles () gmail com>
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:01:52 -0600
Good for them. I once witnessed an entire room of security executives give a standing ovation to Abagnale. Then checked out a website with which he was associated, and a book he had written, accidentally realizing in the process that there were significant differences in what he said speaking versus what I saw on the site and in the book... We as a society clearly elevate unethical and dishonest behaviour, not only in security but many other areas. Of course, this is a biased view, as I have been accused of being "too ethical" and "too honest" - but I am concerned about the effect this has on our society as a whole. On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:58:48 -0400 (EDT), Paul D. Robertson <paul () compuwar net> wrote:
This year's CSI conference features the self-advancing "Catch me if you can" guy, Frank Abagnale as a keynote speaker. Because of this, one of my co-workers, Bill Murray, has withdrawn from speaking, as has Howard Schmidt with the "people who commit felonies shouldn't profit from the results of their nefarious deeds, let alone be sponsored by the security industry" train of thought[1]. Bill's done the same before with a different organization advancing Kevin Mitnick in the past. Personally, I think it's fantastic that there are still people in this world who are willing to take the moral high ground, and hold it. There's an interesting blurry line between doing things for good, and doing things that may be good or bad. Hence I've mixed emotions about people putting together tools that really tend to have more value to the masses of bad guys than they do to the good guys. We know tunneling is bad, we know it's an issue, and we don't need more tunnels to prove it- let alone ones that are script-kiddie enabled to go through the perimeter. Maybe there's a grouping of "definitely good people, definitely bad people and sorta mixed in the middle" that I keep in my mind- certainly, I try to associate with "definitely good people." Maybe it's time I hung up a "Please don't feed the script kiddies" sign? Anyway, I just figured I'd hop up on the soapbox and tip my hat to Bill Murray and Howard Schmidt. Keeping your moral compass pointing in the right direction is a good thing. We're an industry built on trust and ethics, and even if you don't particularly agree with someone's morality, it's not a bad thing to respect that they'll hold their ethics- it's easy to be ethical when nothing's on the line, the test is when you stand to lose something. Mostly, I just wanted to publicly voice my support for these gentlemen's actions, which to me speak much louder than words. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul D. Robertson "My statements in this message are personal opinions paul () compuwar net which may have no basis whatsoever in fact." probertson () trusecure com Director of Risk Assessment TruSecure Corporation _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
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- Re: Re: Ethics, morality and the industry Paul D. Robertson (Nov 02)
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