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RE: @Stake CTO fired for Microsoft comments
From: "Frank Darden" <fdarden () locked com>
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:15:08 -0400
Something tells me that @Stake goofed up big time on this one. I don't think he will have any problems finding new opportunities. And I agree, this does not bode well for @Stake's level of integrity. As an old time L0PHT fan, I for one feel that a chapter in history has closed. Watching Dan and co. Rise from perceived menaces (maybe somewhat earned) and growing up into a legitimate security service that business really need warmed the heart of every Entrepreneur and Security Geek out there. With the threat of losing ones job for exposing the truth, especially when tasked overall with security responsibilities as a career, is in my opinion abhorable. Frank ============================================ Frank Darden Mission Critical Systems 3320 NW 53rd St. Suite 202 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33309 (954)766-2550 fdarden () locked com http://www.locked.com ============================================ -----Original Message----- From: Mike Hoskins [mailto:mike () adept org] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 7:11 PM To: firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com Subject: Re: [fw-wiz] @Stake CTO fired for Microsoft comments From: Paul Robertson <proberts () patriot net> On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Joseph S D Yao wrote:
Dan's never been afraid to tell the truth. That @Stake fired him for
telling the truth, and such a well-known truth, says more about @Stake's lack of integrity and love of MS $$$ than it does about Dan.I don't know Dan, so I can't comment on that part. @Stake is in some ways a competitor to TruSecure, so I'll try to avoid commenting on that part too.
you show wisdom beyond your years. not that i know how old you are, but many would not have been so correct. thanks.
I think it's a damn shame that companies want the best of both worlds.
ditto.
Much worse than knee jerk vendor reaction to criticism is knee jerk employer reaction to criticism of a third party. I don't think I'd want to work in that sort of environment.
precisely! and here's the thing (or at least one of them) -- the report clearly stated that the opinions were those of the individuals. it did not say this was @stake's stance, or any other employer's. the only place the employers were mentioned were in the individual's titles (and, i'm guessing, they may not have even decided on that). the point is, people told the truth and even took precautions to make sure the truth was NOT misinterpreted as the opinion of their employers. yet, some employers overreacted, showing quite obviously who their bed partners truly are.
Homogenous networks are bad, and it's worse when your protection
spot on, as usual. but we're all just agreeing here. people seemed to think having tiered firewalls back in the dot-bomb days was "just something you do when you have loads of VC cash" -- not. it's just one example of taking network security as seriously as it deserves... at least for (truly) mission critical sites. blind vendor loyalty rarely pays in our world. well, unless it's a check from M$. ("a check from M$" is essentially what's been offered to numerous government agencies to maintain loyalty to M$ product lines.) RFCs have said what Dan and his associates said in this report for years. M$ quietly ignored those reccomendations, made by some of the most upstanding members of the Internet community. it comes as no surprise to me that M$ and the vendors they own are still doing the same today. _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards ************************************************************************************************** The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. It is intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager or the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to anyone or make copies. ** Mission Critical Systems scanned this email for viruses, vandals and malicious content - However we recommend you check the contents with your own internal mechanisms** ************************************************************************************************** _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
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- Re: @Stake CTO fired for Microsoft comments Joseph S D Yao (Sep 26)
- Re: @Stake CTO fired for Microsoft comments Paul Robertson (Sep 26)
- Re: @Stake CTO fired for Microsoft comments Ryan M. Ferris (Sep 26)
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- Re: @Stake CTO fired for Microsoft comments Devdas Bhagat (Sep 28)
- Re: @Stake CTO fired for Microsoft comments Roger Marquis (Sep 30)
- RE: @Stake CTO fired for Microsoft comments Frank Darden (Sep 30)
- Re: @Stake CTO fired for Microsoft comments Adam Shostack (Sep 30)
- Re: @Stake CTO fired for Microsoft comments Joseph S D Yao (Sep 26)