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Re: Security dumming down - the king's clothes
From: "R. DuFresne" <dufresne () sysinfo com>
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:24:27 -0500 (EST)
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Marcus J. Ranum wrote: [SNIP]
A lot of folks recognize that the emperor has no clothes. The question is: why? Microsoft's stuff is certainly PART of the problem but another big piece of the problem is that people insist on buying it and don't manage it right. There's enough blame to go around and just assuming a conspiracy is too simplistic.
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The truth is a more complex combination of clueless customers, cruddy code, incompetent federal IT workers, consultants out for a buck, marketing idiots, and a dash of denial.
*** Which still perhaps boils down to a depth of pockets as well as breadth of market penetration arguments doesn't it? Those 'incompetent federal IT workers' recognise Windows as a 'standard', and the 'marketing idiots' and 'consultants out for a buck' make their bread off the recognised 'standard'...<smile> A twisted circle forming an infinite economic race track? Thanks, Ron DuFresne -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ admin & senior security consultant: sysinfo.com http://sysinfo.com "Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity. It eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation." -- Johnny Hart testing, only testing, and damn good at it too! _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
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- Security dumming down - the king's clothes Roger Marquis (Dec 11)
- Re: Security dumming down - the king's clothes Marcus J. Ranum (Dec 12)
- Re: Security dumming down - the king's clothes Chris Blask (Dec 13)
- Re: Security dumming down - the king's clothes R. DuFresne (Dec 13)
- RE: Security dumming down - the king's clothes Bill Royds (Dec 14)
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- RE: Security dumming down - the king's clothes Marcus J. Ranum (Dec 14)
- RE: Security dumming down - the king's clothes Marcus J. Ranum (Dec 16)
- Re: Security dumming down - the king's clothes Marcus J. Ranum (Dec 12)
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