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Re: HECVAT - Vendor Refusal
From: "Kimmitt, Jonathan" <jonathan-kimmitt () UTULSA EDU>
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:15:22 +0000
Ah.... Okay.... So, what I do, in lieu of the HECVAT (and I can't choose a different vendor), is a standard data rider agreement that we ask them to sign along with the contract that covers most of the critical pieces.... I'm happy to share if interested..... -Jonathan ~ Jonathan Kimmitt CISSP, FIP, CDPSE, CIPP/E, CIPM, CIPT, OTCP, GLEG, GPEN, GSNA, PCIP, CEH Chief Information Security Officer Information Technology The University of Tulsa 918.631.2743 From: The EDUCAUSE Security Community Group Listserv <SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU> On Behalf Of Menne, Michael S Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 9:09 AM To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU Subject: Re: [SECURITY] HECVAT - Vendor Refusal Johnathon, They disagree with the intent of the HECVAT vs lite. They consider the HECVAT to be only for he most restricted data (HIPAA, PCI, SSN, etc). They consider the HEVAT lite to be good enough for "sensitive" data. This is a vendor that a department on campus want to move an existing on-premise solution to a cloud version. I like the scoring feature of the HECVAT. I haven't used the HECVAT lite a lot so far. The HECVAT has a good set of questions that allow me to get assurances of how a vendor handles their data security. From: The EDUCAUSE Security Community Group Listserv <SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU<mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>> On Behalf Of Kimmitt, Jonathan Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 8:45 AM To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU<mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU> Subject: Re: [SECURITY] HECVAT - Vendor Refusal Did they give you a reason why they won't fill it out? I've had several that have refused... some we move to the next vendor, some we have signed NDA's to get the information..... -Jonathan From: The EDUCAUSE Security Community Group Listserv <SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU<mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>> On Behalf Of Ruth Ginzberg Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 8:43 AM To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU<mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU> Subject: Re: [SECURITY] HECVAT - Vendor Refusal Agree with Isaac ... AND (perhaps because of the success of the HECVAT to date...) one of the things I'm finding I need to ask for is a RECENT version of the HECVAT ... been getting some moldy oldies from some vendors that really need to be updated to the current version... Ruth Ginzberg 608-890-3961 From: The EDUCAUSE Security Community Group Listserv <SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU<mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>> On Behalf Of Isaac Straley Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 8:40 AM To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU<mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU> Subject: Re: [SECURITY] HECVAT - Vendor Refusal *External Email: Use caution responding, opening attachments, or clicking on links.* Obvious but just so it's said: It is not up to the vendor what kind of assurance your program needs. It is entirely their choice if they want to do what you ask for or not. Depending on the risk and our internal capacity to analyze, I've accepted other formats of assurance. But I take a hard look at suppliers who resist providing information, especially in a reusable vehicle like this. The answer to "why won't they do this" is an important factor. The HECVAT isn't perfect but we've collectively really done a lot of good work to reduce the overhead on suppliers and it's a good faith effort to ask for it, in my opinion. Isaac -- Isaac Straley Chief Information Security Officer University of Toronto From: The EDUCAUSE Security Community Group Listserv <SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU<mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>> on behalf of "Menne, Michael S" <000002306ce3cd04-dmarc-request () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU<mailto:000002306ce3cd04-dmarc-request () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>> Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Security Community Group Listserv <SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU<mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>> Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 6:28 AM To: "SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU<mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>" <SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU<mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>> Subject: [SECURITY] HECVAT - Vendor Refusal EXTERNAL EMAIL: For those that have used the HECVAT and HECVATlite, what has your response been to a vendor who refuses to fill out the full HECVAT and claims that HECVAT is only required for "sensitive data" (SSN, CC#, etc.)? We have used the HECVAT lite only for situations where the data is completely public. In all other situations, we've used the HECVAT. Most vendors take a few attempts to get the answers we are looking for, but I've only had one other that has said they won't fill it out at all. 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- HECVAT - Vendor Refusal Menne, Michael S (Jun 15)
- Re: HECVAT - Vendor Refusal Ruth Ginzberg (Jun 15)
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- Re: HECVAT - Vendor Refusal Isaac Straley (Jun 15)
- Re: HECVAT - Vendor Refusal Ruth Ginzberg (Jun 15)
- Re: HECVAT - Vendor Refusal Kimmitt, Jonathan (Jun 15)
- Re: HECVAT - Vendor Refusal Menne, Michael S (Jun 15)
- Re: HECVAT - Vendor Refusal Powell, Andy (Jun 15)
- Re: HECVAT - Vendor Refusal McClenon, Brady (Jun 15)
- Re: HECVAT - Vendor Refusal Kimmitt, Jonathan (Jun 15)
- Re: HECVAT - Vendor Refusal Ruth Ginzberg (Jun 15)
- Re: HECVAT - Vendor Refusal Kimmitt, Jonathan (Jun 15)
- Re: HECVAT - Vendor Refusal King, Ronald A. (Jun 15)
- Re: HECVAT - Vendor Refusal Kevin Cleary (Jun 15)
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- Re: HECVAT - Vendor Refusal Joey Rego (Jun 16)
- Re: HECVAT - Vendor Refusal Koors, Anne N. (Jun 16)
- Re: HECVAT - Vendor Refusal Kimmitt, Jonathan (Jun 16)
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- Re: HECVAT - Vendor Refusal King, Ronald A. (Jun 16)
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