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Re: TOR and the Digital Freedom Conversation
From: "Williams, Charles" <CWilliams () BEN EDU>
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 21:02:35 +0000
I have been following this with interest because the topic is near and dear to my heart. The point that Marty is making is very apt to the discussion. I have had members of my staff say exactly this -- I have nothing to hide. They are a little less sanguine when I as questions like: Do you want your spouse to be able to access this information? We don't even have ascribe nefarious motives here. It's as simple as not being able to buy a surprise present for one's spouse. Do you want your employer or your boss to be able to access this data? The last line reminds me of a great historical example -- the French Revolution, remember Madam Defarge and her knitting in "A Tale of Two Cities?" I know, it's fiction but she represents the effects. --Randy Charles R. Williams Chief Information Officer Benedictine University 5700 College Road Lisle, ILĀ 60532 630-829-6025 -----Original Message----- From: The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU] On Behalf Of Manjak, Martin Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:55 PM To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU Subject: Re: [SECURITY] TOR and the Digital Freedom Conversation Good article. One thing that always strikes me about the people who believe they have nothing to fear from such all-encompassing surveillance as practiced by the likes of the NSA is that, ultimately, they fail to realize they won't be the ones who get to decide whether or not they have anything to hide. One of the grand objectives of the NSA's surveillance, storage, and analysis capabilities is the ability to build networks of associations. So, even if you don't have "anything to hide," can you vouch for all your associates, and their associates, and so on? I'm afraid that one of the more insistent lessons of history is that when heads start to roll, those purges acquire a madness and momentum that cuts a very wide swath before they exhaust themselves. Marty Manjak ISO University at Albany -----Original Message----- From: The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU] On Behalf Of David Escalante Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:04 PM To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU Subject: Re: [SECURITY] TOR and the Digital Freedom Conversation Interesting piece just came out on this sort of thing on another list I'm on.... http://www.securitycurrent.com/en/writers/mark-rasch/dont-spy-on-me-id-rather-be-safe -- David Escalante
Current thread:
- Re: TOR and the Digital Freedom Conversation, (continued)
- Re: TOR and the Digital Freedom Conversation Tim Doty (Dec 11)
- Re: TOR and the Digital Freedom Conversation Joel L. Rosenblatt (Dec 11)
- Re: TOR and the Digital Freedom Conversation Jones, Mark B (Dec 11)
- Re: TOR and the Digital Freedom Conversation Jones, Mark B (Dec 11)
- Re: TOR and the Digital Freedom Conversation Shalla, Kevin (Dec 11)
- Re: TOR and the Digital Freedom Conversation Jones, Mark B (Dec 11)
- Re: TOR and the Digital Freedom Conversation Tim Doty (Dec 11)
- Re: TOR and the Digital Freedom Conversation Jones, Mark B (Dec 11)
- Re: TOR and the Digital Freedom Conversation David Escalante (Dec 11)
- Re: TOR and the Digital Freedom Conversation Manjak, Martin (Dec 11)
- Re: TOR and the Digital Freedom Conversation Williams, Charles (Dec 11)
- Re: TOR and the Digital Freedom Conversation Jones, Mark B (Dec 11)
- Re: TOR and the Digital Freedom Conversation Manjak, Martin (Dec 11)
- Re: TOR and the Digital Freedom Conversation Jones, Mark B (Dec 11)