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Re: Non-administrator advantages / disadvantages
From: Steven Alexander <alexander.s () MCCD EDU>
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 17:29:09 +0000
Randy, Without administrator rights, the impact of malware is limited: they can't, for instance, install a device driver, retrieve cached domain passwords or sniff the network. Some malware do have privilege escalation exploits packaged in, but these are generally not zero-day exploits. The Cool and Blackhole exploit kits, for instance, attempt escalation using the TrueType font vulnerability that was found in Duqu about a year ago. I don't think the important question is whether most infections come from drive-by downloads or from users installing unauthorized software. Rather, we need to consider, in our environments, what the difference is between malware running with administrator privileges versus basic user privileges. Regards, Steven Alexander Jr. Online Education Systems Manager Merced College alexander.s () mccd edu<mailto:alexander.s () mccd edu> From: The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU] On Behalf Of randy Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 5:21 PM To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU Subject: Re: [SECURITY] Non-administrator advantages / disadvantages What are we trying to prevent by restricting user from having admin privs? If it's to keep people from downloading evil malware, I hate to tell you this but the primary method of malware delivery is by web drive-bys where a user simply visits a legit www site and the malware is loaded via an infected ad. User downloads are probably a small % of the infection. So here are some questions I believe need to be answered before one implements an arbitrary security solution. 0. IMHO, restricting user privs arbitrarily is a response to an old attack vector. Similar to account lockouts, this was the ONLY defense about 5-10 years ago when there weren't additional controls. Make sure you're addressing the right problem. 1. do you have stats that show the types of infections and their vectors at your site? In other words, do your stats show that users with privs are the primary cause of infection? If so, then it makes sense to restrict user privs. 2. Use your stats to support your security decisions. If your stats show that web drivebys are your primary source of infection then restricting user privs won't make you any more secure. 3. How long does it take for a user to have software that they need for their job installed on their machine? 2-4 hours? 2-4 days? 2-4 weeks? In the SANS classes I've taught, I ask this question and the answers I get back actually range from hours to weeks. I was shocked that it takes more than a day to have software installed on a work machine. I'm not talking about an aquarium screen saver. I'm talking about business software. 4. If you don't have a responsive software install process, your users will bypass your security by simply installing the software they need on their personal machine, copy the data to the machine and do their work. Now, your chances of data exposure increase and you have a worse problem than the one you were trying to solve. So, I believe it's extremely important that you collect the appropriate security stats before making a security decision. Just my .02. -Randy Marchany VA Tech IT Security Office On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Shalla, Kevin <kshalla () uic edu<mailto:kshalla () uic edu>> wrote: This is a disadvantage from the user's perspective. They want to do what they want to do when they want to do it. I have to provide support and demonstrate value added. It's difficult to argue this: "I know you're the administrator of your own computer at home, and it works for you, and nothing gets in your way, but here at work, we have to slow you down because it's for your own good, and the good of the university." We've been short of staffing, but still striving towards automating software updates, but so far the only thing we've mastered is through group policy, which isn't very reliable. Further, Adobe and Java are frequently telling users to update, yet when they try, they are thwarted. Thus, we have users questioning our value, and saying "Give me the keys, you guys are too slow". Kevin From: The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU<mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>] On Behalf Of Morrow Long Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 2:31 PM To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU<mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU> Subject: Re: [SECURITY] Non-administrator advantages / disadvantages
Disadvantages User cannot install or update some software immediately - have to wait for desktop support.
This is a disadvantage :-? From: The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU] On Behalf Of Shalla, Kevin Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 3:24 PM To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU<mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU> Subject: [SECURITY] Non-administrator advantages / disadvantages I'm trying to highlight the advantages and disadvantages of prohibiting administrator access for users of Windows computers. Can you provide feedback on what I have below? By the way, what's an example of software that is generally prohibited? Is BitTorrent an example? Is it common? Advantages Most malware stays on one user profile, so other users on same machine are unaffected. Deleting the profile can remove the malware. Prohibited (by policy) software doesn't get installed. Combinations of software known to be problematic are not installed (like multiple active versions of antivirus). Disadvantages User cannot install or update some software immediately - have to wait for desktop support. Kevin Shalla This email has been scanned by a Spam/Virus Firewall. If your email has been classified as Spam please contact the HelpDesk at (209) 384-6180.
Current thread:
- Non-administrator advantages / disadvantages Shalla, Kevin (Nov 27)
- Re: Non-administrator advantages / disadvantages Morrow Long (Nov 27)
- Re: Non-administrator advantages / disadvantages Jason Gates (Nov 27)
- Re: Non-administrator advantages / disadvantages Shalla, Kevin (Nov 30)
- Re: Non-administrator advantages / disadvantages randy (Dec 02)
- Re: Non-administrator advantages / disadvantages Steven Alexander (Dec 03)
- Re: Non-administrator advantages / disadvantages Morrow Long (Nov 27)
- Re: Non-administrator advantages / disadvantages Steven Alexander (Nov 27)
- Re: Non-administrator advantages / disadvantages Shalla, Kevin (Nov 30)
- Re: Non-administrator advantages / disadvantages Christopher R Webber (Nov 30)
- Re: Non-administrator advantages / disadvantages Eric C. Lukens (Nov 30)
- Re: Non-administrator advantages / disadvantages Eric Case (Dec 01)
- Re: Non-administrator advantages / disadvantages Shalla, Kevin (Nov 30)
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- Re: Non-administrator advantages / disadvantages Geoffrey Steven Nathan (Dec 01)
- Re: Non-administrator advantages / disadvantages Jeff Kell (Dec 01)
- Re: Non-administrator advantages / disadvantages Chuck Braden (Dec 01)
- Re: Non-administrator advantages / disadvantages Harry Hoffman (Dec 01)
- Re: Non-administrator advantages / disadvantages Eric Lukens (Dec 02)