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Re: recommendation for a cissp bootcamp
From: Paul Keser <pkeser () STANFORD EDU>
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:24:44 -0800
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Well put. I would have to agree. I studied for (and passed) my CISSP on my own during the 1st 2 courses of my MS in Information Assurance. It would have been a piece of cake if I had waited until completing my MS but main thing I did notice was how much more depth my master program went into. They basically expanded all the 10 domains into separate classes. After completing the masters program it definitely reinforced my initial feeling that the CISSP was 10 miles long and 2 feet deep. I have heard nothing but good things about our local ISSA chapter's review course. It actually costs less than the included materials would on their own I believe. Everyone I know that *relied* on a bootcamp type class failed the first time and had to study and try again on their own. Those that studied on their own and used a bootcamp to augment their training were successful. - -PaulK Paul Keser Assoc. Information Security Officer Stanford University 650.724.9051 GPG Fingerprint: DBA3 E20F CE91 28AA DA1C 4A77 3BD9 C82D 2699 24FB Lovaas,Steven wrote:
Since this is a *higher education* security list, I have to chime in here. Don't get me wrong, I see value in technical training such as SANS provides. But the CISSP has never been about certifying technical knowhow. It's about a broad awareness of the field, the kind you need if you're going to be talking security both to network/system folks and to management/finance/legal as well. It's about breadth, of the kind you get in a Master's degree. When there *were* no MS programs in infosec, taking boot camps and the like for the CISSP was the best way to get that kind of knowledge (other than live experience). But now there are a number of great degree programs at all levels, and we ought to be encouraging our peers -- the ones who want to get into security in some depth -- to be acquiring academic credentials. After a master's program, you can walk in and take the CISSP exam with no further preparation and not break a sweat! Some of these high-quality programs are online, and can be done from the comfort of your gaming console (I mean, PC) while working full-time. I happen to be partial to the program at Norwich University, where I got my MS and have taught from time to time. My classmates are all out working in the field, and I've had many doors open to me (including a PhD program) because of the knowledge and contacts I made there. So I won't bash SANS and all the rest... I just don't think they're the appropriate answer to every question. Steve ============================================ Steven Lovaas, MSIA, CISSP IT Security Manager Academic Computing & Network Services Colorado State University 970-297-3707 Steven.Lovaas () ColoState EDU ============================================ -----Original Message----- From: The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU] On Behalf Of Doug Markiewicz Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:20 PM To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU Subject: Re: [SECURITY] recommendation for a cissp bootcampAll of the bootcamps are just CBK reviews.Eh, good point. I would recommend one of the 3-5 days @ 8-hours/day variety over a 6-7 days @ 10-12 hours/day variety where your brain is total mush afterwards.There is no way for someone to pass this exam without the prerequisiteexperience. Well if you can memorize a book, you can pass the test. I've seen plenty of that. If you don't have the experience, you can still sit for the test and become an Associate of ISC2. Whether you have the experience or not, I think the prep and testing taking are an interesting experience.
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- Re: recommendation for a cissp bootcamp Steve Brukbacher (Dec 05)
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- Re: recommendation for a cissp bootcamp Doug Markiewicz (Dec 08)
- Re: recommendation for a CISSP bootcamp Hugh Burley (Dec 08)
- Re: recommendation for a cissp bootcamp Drake, Craig (Dec 08)
- Re: recommendation for a cissp bootcamp Doug Markiewicz (Dec 08)
- Re: recommendation for a cissp bootcamp Lovaas,Steven (Dec 09)
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