Re: Dailydave Digest, Vol 56, Issue 10

[Dave Aitel <dave.aitel () gmail com>]

In my head I equate using computer and network operations (CNO) inside an
organization to enable information operations (IO) to getting exploitation
primitives and enabling a "Weird Machine
<http://www.slideshare.net/scovetta/fundamentals-of-exploitationrevisited>".
IO has a long history, but it's a completely different thing once CNE gets
involved. You get a feedback loop. It's like having a debugger, versus
blindly fuzzing, imho.

-dave


On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 1:51 PM Paul Erling <Paul.Erling () enera com> wrote:

> I could agree that the damage cyberwar does is mostly to ideology, but
> then what is the difference between cyberwar and propaganda or even
> marketing?  Isn't it just the fact that you have retrieved some difficult
> to obtain evidence?  Does that make the propaganda/marketing more
> believable and so effective?
>
> -  Paul
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> This article in the New Yorker seems to align well with your explanation
> of cyberwar as a systemic disruption of ideology.
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> http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-real-paranoia-inducing-purpose-of-russian-hacks
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> > On Jul 28, 2016, at 6:36 PM, dave aitel <dave () immunityinc com> wrote:
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> > <nitrozeus.PNG>
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiV6am2lNTQ. You'll notice in this
> Usenix talk from 2012 I inadvertently blow Nitro Zeus, which came out in
> that ZeroDays movie recently. I honestly don't write my talks all by
> myself, but you'll notice "we" call out Wikileaks as being a cyber weapon
> as opposed to everyone else's seeming fascination with HackingTeam or
> whatever the boogieman of the day is.
> > People and bonobo monkeys are fascinated by sex - and it's easy to get
> wrapped around the sex aspects of Wikileaks, but it's hard to ignore that
> what he wrote in his manifesto was a very advanced conceptual understanding
> about cyber war, which he then continues to execute to this day. Did or did
> not the head of the DNC have to resign this week, in part due to his
> actions, even if all he provided was cover and a defined modus operandi?
> Anyways, unlike a lot of people, I actually read his manifesto and one
> thing I learned was that cyberwar attacks ideology best. This is a key
> feature of how the whole domain works.
> > <ideology.PNG>
> > The DNC is an ideology. It's something you can believe in, or not. But
> so is ISIS? So is Immunity?
> > -dave
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