Re: Dailydave Digest, Vol 56, Issue 10

[Paul Erling <Paul.Erling () enera com>]

I could agree that the damage cyberwar does is mostly to ideology, but then what is the difference between cyberwar and 
propaganda or even marketing?  Isn't it just the fact that you have retrieved some difficult to obtain evidence?  Does 
that make the propaganda/marketing more believable and so effective?

-  Paul 

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Today's Topics:

   1. SAINTCON Security Conference (Troy Jessup)
   2. Re: "Nitro Zeus" whatever whatever. (Ejovi Nuwere)


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Subject: [Dailydave] SAINTCON Security Conference
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SAINTCON 2016

SAINTCON is the Intermountain-West premiere Cybersecurity conference held in Provo, Utah.   This conference is 
dedicated to all things security and focuses on security discussions and trainings.  If you live or work in the west, 
this is your security con!

https://www.saintcon.org


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From: Ejovi Nuwere <ejovi () ejovi net>
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Subject: Re: [Dailydave] "Nitro Zeus" whatever whatever.
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This article in the New Yorker seems to align well with your explanation of cyberwar as a systemic disruption of 
ideology.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-real-paranoia-inducing-purpose-of-russian-hacks





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> On Jul 28, 2016, at 6:36 PM, dave aitel <dave () immunityinc com> wrote:
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> <nitrozeus.PNG>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiV6am2lNTQ. You'll notice in this Usenix talk from 2012 I inadvertently blow Nitro 
> Zeus, which came out in that ZeroDays movie recently. I honestly don't write my talks all by myself, but you'll 
> notice "we" call out Wikileaks as being a cyber weapon as opposed to everyone else's seeming fascination with 
> HackingTeam or whatever the boogieman of the day is.
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> People and bonobo monkeys are fascinated by sex - and it's easy to get wrapped around the sex aspects of Wikileaks, 
> but it's hard to ignore that what he wrote in his manifesto was a very advanced conceptual understanding about cyber 
> war, which he then continues to execute to this day. Did or did not the head of the DNC have to resign this week, in 
> part due to his actions, even if all he provided was cover and a defined modus operandi? Anyways, unlike a lot of 
> people, I actually read his manifesto and one thing I learned was that cyberwar attacks ideology best. This is a key 
> feature of how the whole domain works. 
> <ideology.PNG>
> The DNC is an ideology. It's something you can believe in, or not. But so is ISIS? So is Immunity?
> -dave
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