Re: w00t 08

[Charles Miller <cmiller () securityevaluators com>]

I was at WOOT and it is supposed to bring academia and commercial  
(i.e. "hackers") together to share ideas.  The funny thing was the  
whole time I thought that the commercial folks were showing the out of  
touch academic folks what real, hard core security research was about  
while the academic people probably thought they were enlightening us!

Charlie

BTW, as a plug, the paper I was a co-author on is under the "daniel"  
directory :)

On Aug 1, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Dave Aitel wrote:

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> These are not the papers you're looking for.
> http://www.usenix.org/event/woot08/tech/full_papers/
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> Seriously, there's nothing there to scare an network offense
> professional. I don't think it's w00t's fault, either. I think the
> research communities are diverging into public and private, as this
> research gets more expensive to do.
>
> USENIX may not be the place for academic treatment of offensive  
> security
> research. A friend of mine wonders if there's any future for academic
> treatment of the subject at all. He wonder's wistfully of course,  
> since
> he likes academia.
>
> Anyways, either be scary or be silly. There's no middle ground here.
> It's a fundamental truth in this field: You're either in, or you're  
> out.
>
> - -dave
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