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Re: Diebold Global Election Management System (GEMS) Backdoor Account Allows Authenticated Users to Modify Votes
From: Colm MacCarthaigh <colmmacc () redbrick dcu ie>
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 01:15:12 +0100
On Sun, Sep 26, 2004 at 10:16:09AM -0700, Nicholas Knight wrote:
Paper trails are a safeguard to be used in the event the system doesn't work, but they're *less accurate* than a *working* electronic voting system would be.
Firstly, I'm not certain there is basis for this claim. Most human counting problems are caused by a lack of clarity on the original record, be it pencil-marks or chads. Since any useful voter-verified audit-trail is likely to consist of simple clearly-printed preferences, which have been verified by a voter before being cast, there is every reason to believe that accurate counting with good transparent human counting procedures are implementable. Secondly, how does one determine if the system has or has not worked without checking the audit trail? If the electronic result says candidate A beat candidate B, how do you know if that is accurate without performing a comparison? Since this comparison is the key to any successful integrity check, it seems that we still need a transparent, human-auditable counting system anyway - to verify the veracity of any electronic results. There is, as yet, no credible mechanism by which an auditor can decide - merely on the numbers - whether an electronic result is likely to be erroneous or not. Opinion and exit polls are frequently wrong, and an electronic system may be as likely to mis-count one vote as a thousand. What mechanism can be proposed?
We have an unprecedented opportunity here to count every vote with perfect precision through electronic voting systems. Unless every aspect of those systems is open to public review, we're throwing that opportunity away.
Electronic systems are not open to non-destructive or unassisted review, their implementation is sub-microscopic. -- Colm
Current thread:
- RE: Diebold Global Election Management System (GEMS) Backdoor Account Allows Authenticated Users to Modify Votes, (continued)
- RE: Diebold Global Election Management System (GEMS) Backdoor Account Allows Authenticated Users to Modify Votes Greg A. Woods (Sep 27)
- Re: Diebold Global Election Management System (GEMS) Backdoor Account Allows Authenticated Users to Modify Votes Marco S Hyman (Sep 28)
- Re: Diebold Global Election Management System (GEMS) Backdoor Account Allows Authenticated Users to Modify Votes Simon (Sep 28)
- Re: Diebold Global Election Management System (GEMS) Backdoor Account Allows Authenticated Users to Modify Votes Colm Buckley (Sep 29)
- Re: Diebold Global Election Management System (GEMS) Backdoor Account Allows Authenticated Users to Modify Votes David F. Skoll (Sep 29)
- Re: Diebold Global Election Management System (GEMS) Backdoor Account Allows Authenticated Users to Modify Votes float (Sep 30)
- Re: Diebold Global Election Management System (GEMS) Backdoor Account Allows Authenticated Users to Modify Votes David F. Skoll (Sep 30)
- Re: Diebold Global Election Management System (GEMS) Backdoor Account Allows Authenticated Users to Modify Votes Marco S Hyman (Sep 28)
- RE: Diebold Global Election Management System (GEMS) Backdoor Account Allows Authenticated Users to Modify Votes Greg A. Woods (Sep 27)
- Re: Diebold Global Election Management System (GEMS) Backdoor Account Allows Authenticated Users to Modify Votes Nicholas Knight (Sep 27)
- Re: Diebold Global Election Management System (GEMS) Backdoor Account Allows Authenticated Users to Modify Votes Matthew Keller (Sep 29)
- Re: Diebold Global Election Management System (GEMS) Backdoor Account Allows Authenticated Users to Modify Votes Colm MacCarthaigh (Sep 29)
- Re: Diebold Global Election Management System (GEMS) Backdoor Account Allows Authenticated Users to Modify Votes Bob Toxen (Sep 28)
- Re: Diebold Global Election Management System (GEMS) Backdoor Account Allows Authenticated Users to Modify Votes Kurt Seifried (Sep 28)
- RE: Diebold Global Election Management System (GEMS) Backdoor Account Allows Authenticated Users to Modify Votes Reed, Phillip C. (LNG-DAY) (Sep 30)