RE: Auditing / Logging

["Steve Armstrong" <steve () logicallysecure org>]

Rob

Having used Keykatcher, I must advise you that it has one (excuse the
pun) key limitation - it only replays the keystrokes.  

By this I mean it re-enters the keystrokes to an output computer and
thus the use of curser keys will move live the curser round the screen.
This results in an output that is not always replayable, understandable
and certainly rarely usable as evidence as to in what order commands
were issued.  In my experience to glean any useful information, the
output must be watched in case critical output is overwritten/overtyped
by the roving curser.

Hope this helps.

Steve A
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Shein [mailto:shoten () starpower net] 
Sent: 17 January 2004 01:01
To: 'Don Parker'; 'R. DuFresne'
Cc: 'n30'; security-basics () securityfocus com; pen-test () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: Auditing / Logging


If you want the function of a keylogger without having to worry about
software/OS compatibility, simply use a Key Katcher (www.keykatcher.com)
between your keyboard and computer.  Just be sure to sed out any
password/login combinations to your own stuff that you use.  Oh, one
thing; I don't think it'll work on Sun hardware.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Parker [mailto:dparker () rigelksecurity com]
> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 6:18 PM
> To: R. DuFresne; Don Parker
> Cc: n30; security-basics () securityfocus com; pen-test () securityfocus com
> Subject: Re: Auditing / Logging
>
>
>
> Well, you raise a valid point as to the commands not being logged.
> Again I would prefer simplicity, so just install a keylogger. 
> There is no need to overcomplicate things. Though a keylogger 
> will not work 
> on most *nix systems to my knowledge. Though all of this should be 
> negotiated with the client prior to the pen test being done ie: what 
> kinds of logs will be retained and the such. This is one thing which 
> should be spelt out clearly prior to any pen test actually 
> taking place.
>
> Cheers
>
> -------------------------------------------
> Don Parker, GCIA
> Intrusion Detection Specialist
> Rigel Kent Security & Advisory Services Inc
> www.rigelksecurity.com ph :613.249.8340 fax:613.249.8319
> --------------------------------------------
>
> On Jan 12, "R. DuFresne" <dufresne () sysinfo com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Don Parker wrote:
>
> > The simplest solution would be to simply log all activity using
> > tcpdump in binary
> > format. This decreases the file size, is faster, and allows 
> you to manipulate it after.
> > You can also input this binary log into any protocol
> analyzer afterwards as well ie:
> > ethereal, etherpeek nx and the such.
> >
> > Doing the above also gives you and your client a copy of
> exactly what
> > it is you have
> > done during your pen test should there be any questions/complaints.
>
>
> Which s great on the data being obtained, yyet fails to
> retain the nature of the exact command that retrieved the 
> data, so make sure one either tee's allcommands to a file 
> <date stamps can help here> or one runs script or something.  
> This helps if one has data results that are similiar and they 
> need to know which command applies to which data, as well as 
> make it possible to dupe scenarios.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron DuFresne
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