Re: heur_dissector_add()

[Peter Wu <peter () lekensteyn nl>]

On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 10:33:26PM +0100, David Aggeler wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Wow. How counter intuitive can things get.

Yes, I must admit that by first search attempt was "heuristic" which
gave only one result in the dialog.

> > > The one of DICOM appears to be named "dicom_tcp" ("DICOM over TCP").
>
> For me 'Enable/Disable Protocol' meant exactly that. Enable/Disable the full protocol dissection
> But indeed, having some TCP ports configured for DICOM and the 'child protocol' deselected, disables the 'search on 
> any port'. 
>
> The name "DICOM over TCP" is what was suggested to call the hook log time back, and I see many others do the same. In 
> the new Dialog/Context that is plain wrong.
> So I guess hardly any of the dissectors that supported a 'search on any port' were converted to follow the new model. 

What do you mean by "the new model"? The move from the protocol
preferences to the Enabled Protocols dialog? There were a lot more
protocols that got converted from preference to the dialog thing, see
commit 21e5a950ade6a20260b63b5f5c055c52ac07b599

> Is now the idea, that that level should be called 'dicom_any_tcp_port' / "DICOM on an TCP Port (heuristic)". That 
> what I now intend to do. I.e.
>
> From:    heur_dissector_add("tcp", dissect_dcm_heuristic, "DICOM over TCP", "dicom_tcp", proto_dcm, HEURISTIC_ENABLE);
> To:         heur_dissector_add("tcp", dissect_dcm_heuristic, "DICOM on any TCP port (heuristic)", 
> "dicom_any_tcp_port", proto_dcm, HEURISTIC_ENABLE);
>
> That would mean the 265 other places HEURISTIC_ENABLE is used, would need similar adaption, no?

"DICOM on any TCP port" sounds more logical for a single protocol, but
there are actually protocols that run on other transports. One example
is SIP which has "SIP over SCTP", "SIP over TURN", "SIP over TCP" and
"SIP over UDO".

Do you think it is sufficient to append "(heuristic)" automatically in
the GUI after each description?

Kind regards,
Peter

> Regards
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wireshark-dev <wireshark-dev-bounces () wireshark org> On Behalf Of Peter Wu
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 19:51
> To: Developer support list for Wireshark <wireshark-dev () wireshark org>
> Subject: Re: [Wireshark-dev] heur_dissector_add()
>
> Hey David,
>
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 06:32:08PM +0100, David Aggeler wrote:
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > Thanks for the hint.  Ok. I just debugged and apparently the DICOM one 
> > as many others is DISSECTOR_TYPE_SIMPLE. Not sure how to change, but 
> > also not sure whether it is that relevant. However, I return 0 when it 
> > does not match (more like new style)
> >
> > If the dissectors are combined like this, basically old and new need to follow the same interface, otherwise every 
> > parent of call_dissector_through_handle() would need a type selector, and  I've not seen that anywhere else. 
> >
> > Also from this comment & code, I'd conclude that the retuned number is the number of processed bytes.
> > In that sense, for me, 0 maps to FALSE in the heuristic and >0 maps to TRUE. 
> >
> > I've now coded according to the README.heuristic. To me that reflects 0/FALSE, >0 TRUE.
> >
> > > > you can enable or disable heuristics dissectors it in the Enabled Protocols menu.
> >
> > I'm blind. All I can see there is Ethernet PW (CW heuristic). That one?
>
> The one of DICOM appears to be named "dicom_tcp" ("DICOM over TCP").
>
> Kind regards,
> Peter
>
> > Regards
> > David
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wireshark-dev <wireshark-dev-bounces () wireshark org> On Behalf Of 
> > Peter Wu
> > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 17:29
> > To: Developer support list for Wireshark <wireshark-dev () wireshark org>
> > Subject: Re: [Wireshark-dev] heur_dissector_add()
> >
> > Hi David,
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 11:50:07AM +0100, David Aggeler wrote:
> > >  
> > >
> > > I'm intending to re-enable the heuristic part in the DICOM dissector. 
> > > So I read though the updates readme and some other dissector, and to 
> > > my surprise, the return value of the heuristic still is supposed to 
> > > be boolean, where the static one returns int.
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > Implementation wise, by now I kind of only see 'return 
> > > tvb_captured_length(tvb)'. Wasn't this consumed bytes or needed 
> > > bytes at some point? I used to return the same int also in heuristic 
> > > part and never had an issue, but it looks wrong.
> >
> > There are only two conventions for the integer return value, see the comment for call_dissector_through_handle in 
> > epan/packet.c:
> >
> >     /* This function will return
> >      * old style dissector :
> >      *   length of the payload or 1 of the payload is empty
> >      * new dissector :
> >      *   >0  this protocol was successfully dissected and this was this protocol.
> >      *   0   this packet did not match this protocol.
> >      *
> >      * The only time this function will return 0 is if it is a new style dissector
> >      * and if the dissector rejected the packet.
> >      */
> >
> > When I tried to change this such that the returned value is actually significant 
> > (https://www.wireshark.org/lists/wireshark-dev/201406/msg00221.html), I found that it would be quite risky to use 
> > the return value to signal reassembly.
> >
> > > I did not understand that 8 years back, and I still don't. Does it 
> > > mean a heuristic can't re-assemble?
> >
> > Heuristics can request reassembly, but then they must not reject the data (return true). But only do this when you 
> > are sure it is your protocol. To ensure that your normal (not heuristics) dissector is called in the future, you 
> > can use conversation_set_dissector.
> >
> > > The other part that seems to have changed are the settings for this. 
> > > Is it not desired anymore, that the use can select at dissector 
> > > level, whether it shall do the heuristic math or not?
> >
> > Rather than having a preference at every dissector, it is now taken of by in the core (see function 
> > "heur_dissector_add"). In the GUI, you can enable or disable heuristics dissectors it in the Enabled Protocols menu.
> > --
> > Kind regards,
> > Peter Wu
> > https://lekensteyn.nl
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