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Re: Who's afraid of Mallory Wolf?


From: Andrew van der Stock <vanderaj () greebo net>
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:59:38 +1100

Severe damage, no. But real problems, yes.

Marketscore did this in a very sneaky fashion (most users were not aware of the SSL mitm proxy), and it caused Internet Banking to be made deliberately unavailable for affected customers:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0503/S00167.htm

Cutting users off is the only way to protect affected victims from outfits like Marketscore. If Marketscore had been like Sony installing their malware in a more coordinated fashion, it would have caused mass problems.

However, the MITM attack vector isn't the reason for SSL certificates. It's about trust - whether you trust the end site, and to a lesser extent, protecting the conversation from casual eavesdroppers, such as wireless hotspots and so on. In these roles, SSL does a reasonable job for the money.

thanks,
Andrew

On 31/01/2006, at 3:47 AM, Ace123 wrote:

I came across this article http://iang.org/ssl/mallory_wolf.html which
is the third in google search's response to "ssl mitm". It says there
havent been any (major?) SSL MITM attacks so far (Article is dated Mar
2003), and so spending on buying a ssl server cert is just waste of
money. I am no way convinced with this guy's argument, but to think of
it - are there any real world SSL MITM attacks recorded in the recent
history that caused a severe damage to anyone?

thanks!

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