Re: [OPSAWG] [pcap-ng-format] draft-gharris-opsawg-pcap.txt --- IANA considerations

[Adrian Farrel via tcpdump-workers <tcpdump-workers () lists tcpdump org>]

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> From: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian () olddog co uk>
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> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 20:44:46 -0000
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> Hi,
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> I'm pitching in here as Independent Submissions Editor (ISE). I really should use the proper email for this (rfc-ise () 
> rfc-editor org) but I'm sticking with this address as it is already subscribed to the OPSAWG list.
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> Responding to this particular email because (I think) it is the first one that mentioned me by name.
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> Let's take a few things:
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> 1. Find out more about the Independent Submissions Stream by looking at https://www.rfc-editor.org/about/independent/ 
> and reading the referenced RFCs.
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> 2. Michael is right that RFC 8726 will govern how I handle drafts that make requests for IANA action. Precedent will 
> not carry any weight: 8726 describes the process in place at the moment.
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> 3. While it *is* true that 8726 describes situations under which IANA registries can be created by Independent 
> Submission Stream documents, be aware that the conditions are very limited. Also be aware that the assignment policies 
> that you can set for such registries are also very limited.
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> 4. The Independent Submissions stream is not a short-cut to RFC publication. If there is a proper home within the IETF 
> then that path must be followed. If the IETF process is not functioning to your satisfaction, then you need to work 
> with the IETF processes to resolve that issue.
>
> A previous email on this thread said...
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> > > So, for FCFS, does that mean anybody who wants a linktype can just grab one?
> >
> > Yes, but it's not quite the free-for-all one might imagine.
> > They have to email IANA and there are some records kept.
> > IANA does do some amount of abuse control.
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> FWIW, you can impose a little bit of control by specifying a form that must be used to make a FCFS request to your 
> registry.
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> > I've re-read RFC8726, in case we want to send pcap via the ISE, as OPSAWG is
> > very slow to adopt documents.   The short of it is that we *CAN* create
> > Registries on the Independent Stream Editor Q.
> >  https://www.rfc-editor.org/about/independent/
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> > But, we can not create Specification Required registries as that requires
> > assignment of Designated Experts.  FCFS streams are fine.
> > Options are there:
> >  1) get OPSAWG to adopt this document.
> >  2) ask an AD to sponsor the document.
> >  3) not split the Registry as per above, use FCFS for it all.
> >  4) move the LinkType Registry to pcapng, send pcap via ISE as
> >     Informational (might get hung up waiting for pcapng, however, depending
> >     upon how we write the text, and whether or not it results in a MISREF)
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> I strongly suggest that you pursue options 1 and 2 because the work appears to be in scope for the OPS Area.
> If the OPSAWG declines to adopt the work, and if you can find no AD to sponsor the draft, then it is worth coming to 
> the ISE (me). Additionally, in the (very unlikely) event that progress is procedurally blocked and appeals are not 
> producing results, I can also consider publication.
>
> Obviously, as already noted, if the document does wind up with the ISE:
> - IANA actions will need to conform to 8726
> - normative references will need to be cleared before an RFC can be published
>
> Cheers,
> Adrian
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> Independent Submissions Editor (ISE)
> rfc-ise () rfc-editor org
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>     >> -----Message d'origine-----
>     >> De : OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-bounces () ietf org] De la part de Michael
>     >> Richardson
>     >> Envoyé : mardi 22 décembre 2020 17:36
>     >> À : Guy Harris <guy () alum mit edu>
>     >> Cc : Pcap-ng file format <pcap-ng-format () winpcap org>;
>     >> opsawg () ietf org; tcpdump-workers <tcpdump-workers () lists tcpdump org>
>     >> Objet : Re: [OPSAWG] [pcap-ng-format] draft-gharris-opsawg-pcap.txt
>     >> --- IANA considerations
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>     >> But, we can not create Specification Required registries as that
>     >> requires assignment of Designated Experts.
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>     > [Med] I'm not sure if the rules changed since then, but experts can be
>     > designated for registries created by ISE documents. See for example:
>     > https://www.iana.org/assignments/iax-parameters/iax-parameters.xhtml#iax-parameters-7
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> Well, this document is ten years ago, and RFC8726 is Nov. 2020, and I think
> that the confusion on this question is what generated the need for RFC8726.
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> Adrian: wrt:
>   https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/opsawg/m4I4vMrYyAxhv18k3LcUk-_Te94/
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>            Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide
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