Re: pcap format / standard(s)

[Carter Bullard <carter () qosient com>]

Hey Jesse,
Well, the wiki actually doesn't have any rights to the content
on the particular page that you are interested in using, and
I'm interested that they aren't meeting the BSD licensing requirement
that tcpdump is released under, as it is the actual license that  
applies.
Having a link to tcpdump.org may be adequate for all parties, so it
is not really an issue.

The Cable Labs document, does reference tcpdump.org, but should
have a  BSD copyright statement somewhere on the pcap file
description page, if it were worried about copyright infringement.

The wiki actually states that "Original content on this site is  
available
under the GNU General Public License", and they make no distinction
as to what is "Original".  So really nothing on the specific page would
be covered under the GNU License.

Of course all of the above is subject to opinion and debate, as there
is little or no case law to substantiate any claim that could come up.
All of course my opinion, and I am,  of course, not a lawyer, so, all
disclaimers do apply ;o)

Carter


On Oct 8, 2007, at 2:10 PM, Jesse Norell wrote:

> On Mon, 2007-10-08 at 11:40 -0400, Carter Bullard wrote:
> > Hey Jesse,
> > Why not just reference annex A? It is already a standard that
> > CALEA recognizes.  The wiki is not the first compilation of the
> > information you're interested in referencing (hasn't changed
> > since the first implementation so way back when, other than
> > the timestamp precision field, which is always zero anyay),
>
>   I'm more concerned about direct cut & paste (copyright infringement)
> than just compiling the info in one place; do you know if the wiki is
> simply a copy of some other source?  (I've not found any other
> "original" source for that exact text in a little searching.)
>
>   Your suggestion is a possibility though, I'll kick it past the  
> group.
>
> Thanks,
> Jesse
>
>
> > and from the perspective of safe harbor, referencing libpcap
> > is not going to be helpful with CALEA, but referencing
> > CM-SP-CBI20.0-I01-070611 will go a good way.
> >
> > Carter
> >
> >
> > Carter Bullard
> > CEO/President
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> >
> >
> > On Oct 4, 2007, at 5:34 PM, Jesse Norell wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 16:31 -0700, Guy Harris wrote:
> > > > You would be correct in assuming that what is actually in use
> > > > today is
> > > >
> > > >         http://wiki.wireshark.org/Development/LibpcapFileFormat
> > >
> > >
> > >   I'm wondering about the copyright implications of including  
> > > content
> > > from that wiki in a published standard (just like annex A of
> > > http://www.cablemodem.com/downloads/specs/CM-SP-CBI2.0- 
> > > I01-070611.pdf
> > > has).  The wiki says, "Original content on this site is available
> > > under
> > > the GNU General Public License." and as best I can find, that  
> > > wiki is
> > > the original place that file format info was put together.  Having
> > > read
> > > the GNU General Public License, I still don't know how to properly
> > > apply
> > > it / what would be allowed here; but I believe I can get explicit
> > > permission to include the content in an otherwise non-GPL work, so
> > > I'll
> > > just ask for that.  We're putting together a CALEA standard that
> > > will be
> > > publicly available; may we include content from that wiki?  Or can
> > > anyone explain how the GPL would be applied to this situation?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jesse
> > >
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