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RE: Fallacies and lies.
From: "Bob Walder" <bwalder () spamcop net>
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:51:52 +0100
Rich, All good points - and believe me I am well aware of Gartner's target audience and exactly why they keep spouting drivel such as this. However, what gets me is the fact that the poor techie guys who have to actually fight the fires on a daily basis and implement this stuff have to keep convincing management that deep inspection firewalls are NOT actually the way to go at this moment in time, and YES we DO need IDS, and NO it will NOT become obsolete as soon as we have bought it (well, no more than any other piece of computer equipment/technology will....) I genuinely believe that Gartner is not helping the cause here. In fact I would go so far as to say they are actively hindering it. In the current climate of more and more complex and effective worms being released every week, I consider their behaviour to be irresponsible. Still, as long as they get their sales, eh? Regards, Bob Walder ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------- This message is intended for the addressee only and may contain information that may be of a privileged or confidential nature. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender and destroy the message immediately. Unauthorised use or reproduction of this message is strictly prohibited.
-----Original Message----- From: snort-users-admin () lists sourceforge net [mailto:snort-users-admin () lists sourceforge net] On Behalf Of Rich Adamson Sent: 05 November 2003 13:07 To: snort-users () lists sourceforge net Subject: RE: [Snort-users] Fallacies and lies.I am not a vendor of IDS/IPS product - I have noconnection with anysuch vendors (other than in my capacity as an independenttester ofsuch products) and so I have no real axe to grind here - but itreally ticksme off that Gartner can keep on coming out with crap likethis and notonly getting away with it, but actually getting some mugsto pay for it! I'm with you, however keep in mind their comments have a 98% probability they were based on "marketing" principles, and not on any current real facts. Their actions are really no different then a lot of companies that sell products; how far can the marketing people stretch the truth to gain customer attention and sales? If you step way back and watch how marketing people and politicians work in the US at least, the individuals (in politics) and many companies (in products) that are towards the top of the pile are frequently borderline liars. That's one of the fundamental reasons why one will seldom see individuals with any form of technical background fill marketing or political positions. (There are obviously some exceptions, but not very many.) Gartner's target audience for sales has been, and will continue to be, the upper and senior management ranks in fortune 1000 businesses. These are the same people that have signature level authority to comission that company to do something the executive considers important to his/her area or business. Gartner's technical audience is a very small piece of their business. In the end whether its Gartner, the president, a marketing VP, or a used car salesperson, it doesn't make any difference to most of us. All they have to remember is the same three things that plumbers have known for years... 1. Payday is on Friday, 2. The boss is a good guy, and, 3. Shit runs downhill a. "I was briefed incorrectly..." b. "Our technical department gave me..." c. "It was taken out of context..." d. "Specs changed..." e. <read the latest headlines or marketing slicks for hundreds more> ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ _______________________________________________ Snort-users mailing list Snort-users () lists sourceforge net Go to this URL to change user options or unsubscribe:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sno>> rt-usersSnort-users list archive: http://www.geocrawler.com/redir-sf.php3?list=snort-users
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Current thread:
- Fallacies and lies. Mark Penny (Nov 05)
- Re: Fallacies and lies. Edin Dizdarevic (Nov 05)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- RE: Fallacies and lies. Bob Walder (Nov 05)
- RE: Fallacies and lies. Rich Adamson (Nov 05)
- RE: Fallacies and lies. Bob Walder (Nov 05)
- Re: Fallacies and lies. Jason Haar (Nov 05)
- RE: Fallacies and lies. Bob Walder (Nov 06)
- Re: Fallacies and lies. Marc Quibell (Nov 06)