More on DNA database of anyone detained (not arrested) by cops [priv]

[Declan McCullagh <declan () well com>]

Previous Politech message:
http://www.politechbot.com/2005/09/10/federal-dna-database/

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [Politech] Federal DNA database of anyone detained by 
police advances in Senate [priv]
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:02:43 -0400
From: Richard M. Smith <rms () computerbytesman com>
To: 'Declan McCullagh' <declan () well com>, <chip.pitts () att net>

Hi,

Here is another method that the police have used to collected a DNA sample
in the past:

   Seattle Police Trick Gets Judge's Approval
   http://www.komotv.com/stories/28382.htm

   King County Superior Court Judge Sharon
   Armstrong ruled that police did not violate
   John Athan's privacy or other rights by
   sending the New Jersey man a phony letter
   saying he was eligible for money in a class-action
   lawsuit over parking tickets. Athan responded
   to the letter -- and licked an envelope,
   leaving saliva that provided his DNA.

Perhaps the IRS has already built a DNA database from our mailed in tax
returns. ;-)

Richard M. Smith
http://www.ComputerBytesMan.com






-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [Politech] Federal DNA database of anyone detained by 
policeadvances in Senate [priv]
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 22:54:51 -0600
From: Jerome Borden <jcborden () earthlink net>
Reply-To: jcborden () earthlink net
To: Declan McCullagh <declan () well com>

Declan,

Interesting.  First, it would put DNA on a par with finger prints which are
routinely taken from all detainees.
This is why INS/ICE takes electronic finger prints of anyone dealing with
their system.
Thus, my wife had to get records from an incident that happened 17 years
ago that a DA had declined to file.
The prints are still in NCIC and California AG files but not in the
jurisdiction that made the arrest. (raucous party that night).
Under the proposed law, they would have swabbed her cheek and listed the
DNA profile.
Another group that has been subject to DNA recording are all members of the
military services.
That way, they figure that there will be no more "Unknown Soldiers".

Yours Truly,
Jerome C. Borden
Layton, UT
(where they go into record keeping in a very big way)


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Politech] Federal DNA database of anyone detained by 
police advances in Senate [priv]
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:28:33 -0400
From: George Ellenburg <george () ellenburg org>
To: Declan McCullagh <declan () well com>
References: <4323268C.1060105 () well com>

U.S., meet Gattica.  Gattica, meet the United States of America.


On Sep 10, 2005, at 2:31 PM, Declan McCullagh wrote:

> The amendment, introduced by Senator John Cornyn (R-TX), on behalf of
> Senator Jon Kyl (R-AZ), would create a national registry of DNA taken
> from any person who has been detained by the police, even if the
> person
> is not arrested or convicted.




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