Another round with ITU's Richard Hill on ICANN, governance

[Declan McCullagh <declan () well com>]

[These are two threads that spilled over from Politech to an ICANN 
mailing list. I've separated the two with asterisks. Thanks to Richard 
for participating in them. --Declan]

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-------- Original Message --------
Subject:        RE: [ga] Re: [Politech] ITU's Richard Hill on ICANN's $.75 fee
and Net governance
Date:   Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:13:04 +0100
From:   <richard.hill () itu int>
To:     <hdierker2204 () yahoo com>, <jwkckid1 () ix netcom com>, <declan () well com>
CC:     <ga () gnso icann org>, <ross () tucows com>

It is all rather complex.  Full information can be found at:

 http://www.itu.int/aboutitu/index.html

ITU-T is the former CCITT, which some might remember for, among other
things, modem standards, as in V.nn.

Within ITU-T work is organized in Study Groups which address broad
topics, see:

 http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/studygroups/index.html

Substantive work is done by the membership, who input papers and agree
outputs (Recommendations).

Most ITU staff is located in Geneva, although we do have field offices.

tsbsg2 () itu int is the mailing list for Study Group 2, of which I'm the
Secretary.

Best,
Richard


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Richard Hill
Counsellor, ITU-T SG2 and SG4
International Telecommunication Union
Place des Nations
CH-1211 Geneva 20
Switzerland
tel: +41 22 730 5887
FAX: +41 22 730 5853
Email: richard.hill () itu int
Study Group 2 email: tsbsg2 () itu int
Study Group 4 email: tsbsg4 () itu int

    -----Original Message-----
    *From:* Hugh Dierker [mailto:hdierker2204 () yahoo com]
    *Sent:* Sunday, 09 January, 2005 20:16
    *To:* Hill, Richard; jwkckid1 () ix netcom com; declan () well com
    *Cc:* ga () gnso icann org; ross () tucows com
    *Subject:* RE: [ga] Re: [Politech] ITU's Richard Hill on ICANN's
    $.75 fee and Net governance

    Perhaps Mr. Hill you could break all this down for us so we get a
    real idea of functioning structure of your group(s). As in what is
    an ITU-T, or an SG2 or 4 or a tsbg2 and What is the office in Geneva
    versus your home country?

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-------- Original Message --------
Subject:        RE: [ga] Re: [Politech] ITU's Richard Hill on ICANN's $.75 fee
and Net governance
Date:   Sun, 9 Jan 2005 13:03:45 +0100
From:   <richard.hill () itu int>
To:     <hdierker2204 () yahoo com>, <jwkckid1 () ix netcom com>, <declan () well com>
CC:     <ga () gnso icann org>, <ross () tucows com>



ITU members, whether governments or private sector, voluntarity pay fees
to ITU.  Each Member State freely chooses the amount to pay.  The level
of fees for Sector Members is set by the Plenipotentiary conference.
The way the ITU budget is spent (priorities, programs, etc.) is
determined at the overall level by Plenipoteniary (every 4 years) and in
more detail by Council (every 2 years).

Best,
Richard

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Richard Hill
Counsellor, ITU-T SG2 and SG4
International Telecommunication Union
Place des Nations
CH-1211 Geneva 20
Switzerland
tel: +41 22 730 5887
FAX: +41 22 730 5853
Email: richard.hill () itu int
Study Group 2 email: tsbsg2 () itu int
Study Group 4 email: tsbsg4 () itu int

    -----Original Message-----
    *From:* Hugh Dierker [mailto:hdierker2204 () yahoo com]
    *Sent:* Saturday, 08 January, 2005 18:01
    *To:* Jeff Williams; Declan McCullagh
    *Cc:* Hill, Richard; General Assembly of the DNSO; Ross Wm. Rader
    *Subject:* Re: [ga] Re: [Politech] ITU's Richard Hill on ICANN's
    $.75 fee and Net governance

    I am pretty amazed here at the blazen contempt by omission of users.
    Richard Hill should look up "resting on Laurels" in one of his
    American Heritage books (which is anything but). Taxation is the
    taking from an individual to support the infrastructure of those in
    power. Now in democracy we can change those in power, or limit the
    taxation or what it is spent on. In the ITU, UN or ICANN monolithic
    infrastructures we have no such authority. They have placed
    themselves in benevolent big brother status for the good of us
    neanderthals that only carry degrees in arcane matters and life
    experience.
    As I told an IT worker during a think break, all of your knowledge
    does little good if the end user is left out of the loop. What makes
    perfect sense to a designer may have no application to a user. I
    doubt large pots of frijoles make much sense to a Norwegian, or our
    Asian rice pot to and Conglolese. Similarly 75 cents don't make
    sense to Joe but might to Joe Mega International Corp. I don't like
    this one bit but until it makes my life worse or hurts me in my
    wallet I think I will just comment on it like the rest of you.

    Eric

    */Jeff Williams <jwkckid1 () ix netcom com>/* wrote:

        Declan, Ricahard and all,

        Nice try to deflect here Richard. What you seem to fail to
        mention is that
        not any or all stakeholders have equal status or can vote on
        issues in
        the ITU and the ITU charges for access to many/most of it's public
        interests documents on it's web site.... Pot-Kettle black if you
        ask me...

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