One more round on Californians ratting out neighbors' cars [priv]

[Declan McCullagh <declan () well com>]

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Subject: Re: [Politech] Mixed feelings about Californians ratting out 
neighbors'	cars [priv]
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:03:32 -0400
From: mistercat () verizon net
To: Declan McCullagh <declan () well com>

Mr. McCullagh,
    As a military member, I almost by definition never live in the 
state that my cars
are registered.  I'm surprised that CA which reaps the benefit of a 
large number of
bases would enact a program that is almost designed to alienate military 
members.
I particularly don't like programs that will generate even more ill will 
between people
serving their country and wearing it's uniform, and the states and 
communities that
we live in.
     College students are probably in the same boat, with even less 
resources and
course of defense than I would.  I'm sure I could think of many other 
professions
that are migratory by nature that will find this program just as offensive.
    Just to test out the CA system, I'm going rat out myself (CA was my 
last duty
station), and see just what sort of response I get.  I'll keep you 
posted on the results,
if you're interested.

Bryan W
14 years of service





-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [Politech] Mixed feelings about Californians ratting out 
neig	hbors' cars [priv]
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:30:21 +0200
From: Blank, Brian Mr. [CACI Corp] HQ, USAREUR/7A, G4	 
<Brian.Blank () us army mil>
To: 'Declan McCullagh' <declan () well com>

Hi Declan,

Just for grins, I tested out the system by providing false information.  For
what it's worth, I am have been in and around Heidelberg, Germany for the
last 10 years.  Upon clicking the submit button, you are informed that the
data has been sent to the CHP and are then presented with an email window.
Therefore, this site does not allow for someone to submit information
anonymously unless you have an anonymous email address that you can send
from.  It does not care whether you are a resident of California.  Hell, it
doesn't even care if you are a resident of the US.

Regards,
Brian




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [Politech] Mixed feelings about Californians ratting out 
neighbors' cars [priv]
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:37:09 -0700
From: The Exodus Group <exodusgrp () att net>
Reply-To: <exodusgrp () att net>
To: 'Declan McCullagh' <declan () well com>

Declan:

On this argument, two quotes come to mind:

"A conservative is someone who has never been in jail.
A liberal is someone who has never been mugged."

"There are always good reasons and then there are real reasons for laws."

Traffic enforcement is primarily about revenue-- not public safety, despite
the fact that some public safety benefit is obtained. In California, the CHP
retirement system is maintained by vehicle registration fees. Check out what
they earn on the same website-- $90K/year and 90% of that after 20 years of
revenue enforcement. Traffic court generates more revenue per hour than a
neurosurgical team.

A tip of the hat to the gentleman pointing out that you can't have it both
ways: You want government enforcing law? You're going to get not only the
good benefit of spam control but you are going to get the real cost in terms
of censorship and likely shutdown of the public Internet.

While I think LewRockwell.com and libertarians generally are wrong-headed on
a number of issues most especially outsourcing jobs internationally, I
commend the site to those who want to get their thinking straight about the
legitimacy of government.

Many states place their highway patrol in the table of organization under
their department of revenue. They at least fund their criminal justice
growth industry, the adjective criminal modifying justice, as in it is a
criminal system. If the proceeds enter the general fund, the state
perpetrates all manner of other mischief with the money. The basis of all
tyranny is revenue.

I am a government-hater as a result of having the boot of government on my
neck. I am also a bicycling environmentalist, former National Park ranger,
and wilderness mountaineer, now in my late 50s, who prefers the free market
to the police/welfare state-- even though I shall have to work the rest of
my life because of central bank monetary policy and Social Security being a
fraud from its inception. I suggest these not subjects to be treated
lightly. If you are interested and committed, learn more about it. There
were not 3% of the Colonists who supported secession from England.

James Clayton




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Politech] Mixed feelings about Californians ratting out 
neighbors' cars [priv]
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:55:36 -0500
From: Jim Davidson <davidson () net1 net>
To: Declan McCullagh <declan () well com>
CC: cbuja () cisco com, Billy.Harvey () thrillseeker net, parks () uhibpd phys uh edu

Dear Christopher,

> of course, the same subject heading could read "CHP asks for help in
> getting everyone to pull their own weight"  Hard not to get tired of
> the
> number of Texas and Idaho plates, one sees.   And this from someone who
> grew up in a very central-government-leery state of Montana.

First off, why is it that the taxes collected in issuing
license plates (property taxes, fees, etc.) are consensual
obligations?  The state is not a free enterpriser.  It is
coercive.  It insists that it be paid and offers no free
choice in the matter.

Second, why are you tired of Texas and Idaho plates?  Are
you familiar with the "full faith and credit" or reciprocity
clause of the USA constitution?  People from Texas and
Idaho are allowed to register their cars in their own states.
California and its fascist highway patrol are obligated to
respect the registrations of such cars, just as the courts
in California are obligated to respect the marriages and
adoptions and other contractual events that take place in
other jurisdictions.

Or were you also sickened by all those couples whose marriages
in Texas or Idaho were not reviewed and approved by a license
in California?  Tired of all those businesses which are
incorporated in Texas and Idaho and receiving payments from
Californians without incorporating in California?  Too bad.
Either amend the national constitution, or live with it.

[snipped some points that were more personal than general --Declan]
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